Keeping Religious Zealots Out of Power

[_Gazelam]

Gazelam, what's your opinion of the Taliban?

The Taliban are a group of radicals who have corrupted the religion of Islam due to poor teachings over a long period of time. Most of its members rose up out of refugee camps during the war with the soviets. The teachers at these displacement camps were mostly illiterate themselves, with no real knowledge of the history and culture behind many of the teachings in the Koran.

In other words they are fringe radicals of a "proper" religion. They are misinformed, poorly taught in the ways of their beliefs, and pathetic in their actions.

I realize you ask this because you feel I am being radical in my beliefs that Temple endowed homosexuals shoud be encouraged to work out a blood atonement. You have your right to think this. But I think if you really consider it, youll agree with me. Loss of virtue is to great a price to pay even for the preservation of one's life - better dead clean, than alive unclean.

[_Hally McIlrath]

Loss of virtue is to great a price to pay even for the preservation of one's life - better dead clean, than alive unclean.

I was molested as a child and lost my virtue. Should I be killed? I am alive and unclean.

(And I would like an answer to this one.)

[_Gazelam]

I keep seeing people refer to me as a bigot, as if my viewpoint is not universally acceptable. I think the opposite is more than likely true.

But I could be wrong, a majority may not see things as I do, not that it matters. I have the words of the prophets on my side.

[_Gazelam]

Loss of virtue is to great a price to pay even for the preservation of one's life - better dead clean, than alive unclean.

I was molested as a child and lost my virtue. Should I be killed? I am alive and unclean.

(And I would like an answer to this one.)

Your virtue was taken, not given. There is a huge difference. The one who molested you should be executed without question.

What is sad is the psychic trauma this has no doubt caused in your life over the years. Hopefully the hollow spot created in your heart by a loss of trust and safety can be filled up with the companionship of the Hooy Ghost whose attributes are Peace and Joy.

What occured to you was monstrous, but no doubt you are a stronger person in having dealt with it and carried on.

[_GoodK]

I keep seeing people refer to me as a bigot, as if my viewpoint is not universally acceptable. I think the opposite is more than likely true.

But I could be wrong, a majority may not see things as I do, not that it matters. I have the words of the prophets on my side.

Your viewpoint is universally disgusting, to be frank.

[_asbestosman]

But I could be wrong, a majority may not see things as I do, not that it matters. I have the words of the prophets on my side.

CFR.
Give me a quote from the living prophets/apostles advocating death for endowed homosexuals, and I'll eat my hat.

The brethren do NOT support you. I think your opinion is on the verge of apostasy. Blood atonement makes no sense scripturally (it is contra D&C 136 and contra the idea of wicked already being gone at the Millenium).

[_Ray A]

Loss of virtue is to great a price to pay even for the preservation of one's life - better dead clean, than alive unclean.

Well I have two daughters, one 28 in August, the other 19, and I'm certainly glad they're alive. I wouldn't consider a crime against them worth paying for with their life, but I have said if I caught someone raping them, or even bashing them, I hope the police get to the criminal before I do.

I keep seeing people refer to me as a bigot, as if my viewpoint is not universally acceptable. I think the opposite is more than likely true.

Ask any father if he would prefer his daughter dead. Maybe you'll find plenty of agreement in some Islamic theocracies.

What occured to you was monstrous, but no doubt you are a stronger person in having dealt with it and carried on.

Isn't this the better alternative?

The one who molested you should be executed without question.

So if you were a bishop, and a member confessed to sexual molestation of a minor, as in the case of Elder George P. Lee, he should be sent before Utah firing squad?

But I could be wrong, a majority may not see things as I do, not that it matters. I have the words of the prophets on my side.

Did the Prophets recommend the execution of George P. Lee?

[_Ren]

I keep seeing people refer to me as a bigot,

You're not only a bigot. You are a complete idiot, who doesn't even understand the religion he claims to follow and love - much less decent human behaviour.

as if my viewpoint is not universally acceptable

...if you move to some places in the Middle East, you might have a chance of finding something like 'universal acceptance' for your lunacy.
Fortunately, most people 'round this way' have managed to crawl their way out of the stone age.

Oh - sorry. Let me say that in a language you'll understand...
Ugg ug muh ug *scratch armpit* Ruhh uh muh *scratch head*

I have the words of the prophets on my side.

Translation: "Brain for sale. Barely used..."

[Guest]

Never mind.
Hally's response is much better...

[_Hally McIlrath]

Your virtue was taken, not given. There is a huge difference. The one who molested you should be executed without question.

Actually, the Old Testament says he should have married me and paid my father fifty shekels of silver:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)

28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

I don't think I would have liked that.

What is sad is the psychic trauma this has no doubt caused in your life over the years. Hopefully the hollow spot created in your heart by a loss of trust and safety can be filled up with the companionship of the Hooy Ghost whose attributes are Peace and Joy.

Thank you. It is very hard for me to trust and not be afraid.

What occured to you was monstrous, but no doubt you are a stronger person in having dealt with it and carried on.

I don't know, Gaz. Maybe. Or maybe things would be a lot different...maybe I would not be so afraid.

But I brought this up because I wanted to point something out to you that you maybe hadn't considered. I heard the same things you said, above, about those who are not morally clean being better off dead, and they haunted me as I was growing up. Do you know that no amount of kind words can make up for the fact that a person who is raped is seen as not whole within the church? Do you know that I dreaded every Bishop's interview, not because I was guilty of some transgression, but because I was made to remember again and again and again, every year, that I wasn't good enough in the eyes of Heavenly Father?

I would sit out in the hall waiting my turn, trembling and feeling sick to my stomach. I had to sit in a small room with the door closed, with a man I didn't really know, and talk about my worthiness, when I was frightened of him, and felt unworthy to even be alive.

Where is compassion, and peace, and love, and mercy, in a teaching that says a person should die? I ask you, Gaz. I'm almost begging you. Please tell me.

Because all I've ever known from that teaching is fear.