I don't believe this could possibly ever happen, seeing as how I spend time with and talk to my kids in a respectful manner. I don't allow them to see media that promotes immoral behavior. They have parents who love one another and they have been taught the purpose of life and the nature of God and the universe.
To become homosexual they would have to purposefully abandon everything they have been raised to believe and understand regarding their own self and their understanding of the world around them.
If you believe it is a choice they certainly could chose this. Just as easy as they could chose to sleep with someone of the opposite sex. I think I raised my kids Old Testament be really good LDS persons. But two of them choose to go a different way on the heterosexual side of things. One is now married and has returned to Church activity. The other has no interest in the LDS way of life.
To answer your hypothetical, if I were to see them acting on this mentality, they would not be welcome in my home. they woudl have to find some place else to live and someone else to support them.
I feel really sad for your kids. I think you are outside the realm of gospel love here. I did have to ask one of my children to move out but it was because his behavior was destroying my home and it had impact on his sister. He was not working, gone for days and days on drunken and drug binges and who knows what else. I could not continue to support him financially under those conditions. He has since improved his life Old Testament some extent and is serving his country honorably. But he was still and is still welcome to visit my home any time. He always knew I loved him. And my love was not contingent on his obedience to the LDS Gospel and he knew that as well.
Some people should never have kids. I think Gaz you are one of them. I hope your kids don't disappoint you.
I just wanted to come back to this with you. What you're saying is that if your 16 year old child were to act on homosexual thoughts/feelings/desires, your solution is for you to become a child abuser.
How does that make sense?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
To answer your hypothetical, if I were to see them acting on this mentality, they would not be welcome in my home. they woudl have to find some place else to live and someone else to support them.
I see no parental responsibility taking in the above, Gaz. On the contrary, what I see is abandonment of parental rights and responsibility. You wouldn't take your child to a psychotherapist, religious counselor nor would you attempt to keep them safe.
You'd simply toss them out. At age 16 no less.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote:What you're saying is that if your 16 year old child were to act on homosexual thoughts/feelings/desires, your solution is for you to become a child abuser.
Uh, Jersey Girl, he'd only do that in place of what he would REALLY want to do, which is KILL them. Sadly, the law will not allow him to act on his draconian desires. Yet.
Jersey Girl wrote:What you're saying is that if your 16 year old child were to act on homosexual thoughts/feelings/desires, your solution is for you to become a child abuser.
Uh, Jersey Girl, he'd only do that in place of what he would REALLY want to do, which is KILL them. Sadly, the law will not allow him to act on his draconian desires. Yet.
Yeah, but someday when that long-hoped for Theocracy is set up, they'll have free reign to kill all the fags, the apostates, the adulterers, the liars, the covenant breakers, the backbiters, etc. It'll be a real thigh-slapping riot of a good time, won't it?
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Jersey Girl wrote:What you're saying is that if your 16 year old child were to act on homosexual thoughts/feelings/desires, your solution is for you to become a child abuser.
Uh, Jersey Girl, he'd only do that in place of what he would REALLY want to do, which is KILL them. Sadly, the law will not allow him to act on his draconian desires. Yet.
Where do the 10 Commandments fall into this? Anywhere?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Gaz, it is said that Jesus ate with publicans and sinners. He was criticised for this by his holier-than-thou critics, ie, the scribes and Pharisees. "Your master eats with publicans and sinners." He was also called a "glutton and a winebibber" (though probably far from the truth, he did drink wine, with publicans and sinners). Can you imagine Jesus saying, "come let us dine together, 'fags' not welcome though. That is one sin I just won't tolerate."
I don't think Jesus approved of sin, but I never see him personally rejecting people because they are sinners, or turning them away.
Your missing an important detail.
Christ was teachign these men the gospel, offering it to them for the first time.
In every instance I have stated an opinion, I am speaking of the previously educated acting against what they have been taught and received.
Hmmmm
Well how about the prodigal son? Oh and I see nothing in Jesus teachings that say be kind to the dirty heathen but stone the believer who may sin. Remember Gazy, with what Judgment you judge you will be judged. And id you refuse to forgive Jesus will not forgive you.
I have come to understand in some painful ways why we must forgive in order to be forgiven. I think God may send some similar things your way. I understand your Pharisaical view. I used to be more you, well never as harsh but somewhat rigid. God humbled me. Watch out.
I realize you're not reading here right now, Gaz, but I have thoughts to share with you before leaving for work, so here goes.
On this thread you've established that if your hypothetical 16 year old child were to act on homosexual feelings/thoughts/desires you'd abandon them and toss them out so that someone else can support them. (Why the focus on your wallet?) Withdrawing parental support (food, shelter, clothing, etc.) from your child is child abuse/neglect and abandonment and fully prosecutable. Having said that...
In another series of exchanges, you had this to say about child abusers.
"I think the scriptural response to this as stated by Christ is that they should have a millstone hung around their neck and thrown into the ocean."
I don't know why LDS so often take scripture out of context but you already know that's a pet peeve of mine. Here is the context of that statement:
Luke 17 KJV
1Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
2It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
3So watch yourselves.
"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
4If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
How is your intention to abandon your hypothetical 16 year old child in keeping with the above instruction? Previously you asked me how an unrepentant homosexual could receive salvation.
Does the above indicate that there is an expiration date for repentance?
*Please note that in the above passage of scripture, you the child abuser would be condemned to death.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote:Where do the 10 Commandments fall into this? Anywhere?
Maybe it falls under the 300 or so other commandments tacked on by Moses and listed in exacting detail throughout Leviticus and Deuteronomy, such as the bloodletting required for those who are caught eating shellfish and wearing clothing made of two separate materials.
Gaz, I certainly hope you are not wearing cotton/polyester blend ANYTHING; you should be stoned to death.
Jersey Girl wrote:Where do the 10 Commandments fall into this? Anywhere?
Maybe it falls under the 300 or so other commandments tacked on by Moses and listed in exacting detail throughout Leviticus and Deuteronomy, such as the bloodletting required for those who are caught eating shellfish and wearing clothing made of two separate materials.
Gaz, I certainly hope you are not wearing cotton/polyester blend ANYTHING; you should be stoned to death.
Luckily though the Law of Moses is not in force the prohibition on killing is still in force according to the D&C.
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