For Selek--Welcome, want to apologize now?

[_mms]

Selek,

Surprised to see you here. Thought you were way too much of a coward to venture to these parts. Maybe you were looking for me so that you could make restitution (apologize) for saying this to me in the very thread (as I recall) that ended up with me being banned (or at least suspended) from MAD (and, of course, nothing happening to you). You said:

You'll have all eternity in hell to ponder the number of innocent windmills you accosted.

You must be familiar with the teaching of Elder Oaks that we are not to make ultimate judgments about people like this (I can get the quotes for you, if necessary). So, you erred. I gave you several chances to take THE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY STEP OF LDS REPENTANCE of apologizing before I got banned (for challenging DCP, which is a "no no" over there), but you would not do so. Do you want to do so now? I suppose I could stand as a witness someday that you were in fact given multiple opportunities to take this ESSENTIAL step and failed to do so because of PRIDE each time.

Sincerely, mms

[_harmony]

Selek,

Surprised to see you here. Thought you were way too much of a coward to venture to these parts. Maybe you were looking for me so that you could make restitution (apologize) for saying this to me in the very thread (as I recall) that ended up with me being banned (or at least suspended) from MAD (and, of course, nothing happening to you). You said:

You'll have all eternity in hell to ponder the number of innocent windmills you accosted.

You must be familiar with the teaching of Elder Oaks that we are not to make ultimate judgments about people like this (I can get the quotes for you, if necessary). So, you erred. I gave you several chances to take THE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY STEP OF LDS REPENTANCE of apologizing before I got banned (for challenging DCP, which is a "no no" over there), but you would not do so. Do you want to do so now? I suppose I could stand as a witness someday that you were in fact given multiple opportunities to take this ESSENTIAL step and failed to do so because of PRIDE each time.

Sincerely, mms

I don't suppose it would be appropriate to comment about the whole turn-the-other-cheek thing right now? Not that I'm defending anyone, but he just got here, and we don't want to scare him too quickly. I already had to descend into Telestial to comment on one of his threads, so we might want to let him unpack before we hit him with both barrels, ya know?

[_MsJack]

This thread looks promising.



/popcorn

[_mms]

I don't suppose it would be appropriate to comment about the whole turn-the-other-cheek thing right now?

No, it would not be appropriate. I turned enough cheeks at MAD before he pulled this crap. He spends many of his days pushing doubting members out of the Church by his version of apologetics. It somehow makes him feel better about himself. I truly have no doubt that he has single-handedly caused dozens of fence-sitters to jump off the fence to the "dark side", which may make him a bit of a hero here :) I, of course, won't make any "ultimate" judgments about him. But just thought I would give him one more opportunity to show that he doesn't really believe what he claims to believe, or he would right his rather apparent wrong.

[_selek]

Glad to be here. Thanks for the warm welcome.

[_mms]

Glad to be here. Thanks for the warm welcome.

No surprise there. Good to know you still don't believe in that whole repentance process thing (just a minor little thing in your version of Mormon doctrine anyway). And just watch him go around "judging" everyone by the LDS teachings that he has picked and chosen to believe. Nice. (By the way, Selek, remember the warm welcome you gave me at MAD when I came in as a sincerely questioning High Priest? Yeah, it went something like this: "You are an anti-Mormon troll, go to hell." So, yeah, welcome.

[_selek]

I'm sorry. What did I do now?

[_harmony]

I don't suppose it would be appropriate to comment about the whole turn-the-other-cheek thing right now?

No, it would not be appropriate. I turned enough cheeks at MAD before he pulled this crap.

Try to remember that this isn't MAD, and there are several others of us here who have also been unfairly banned from MAD. And we got over it. Well, some of us did.

He spends many of his days pushing doubting members out of the Church by his version of apologetics. It somehow makes him feel better about himself. I truly have no doubt that he has single-handedly caused dozens of fence-sitters to jump off the fence to the "dark side", which may make him a bit of a hero here :)

Exactly. Makes ya wonder why he's here, doesn't it? Like maybe... just maybe... he's seeing the light that we've seen? Feeling somewhat what we've felt? Maybe?

I, of course, won't make any "ultimate" judgments about him. But just thought I would give him one more opportunity to show that he doesn't really believe what he claims to believe, or he would right his rather apparent wrong.

Well, good luck with that. I've been trying to get Daniel to live up to his beliefs too, and we see how far that's gone.... although to be strictly fair, he's mellowed considerably since the bad old days on Z.

[_Scottie]

I could be wrong, but I don't think this is really the MAD Selek.

[_Nevo]

I could be wrong, but I don't think this is really the MAD Selek.

I don't think it is either.

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?" (Jer. 13:23).