Are homophobes born that way?

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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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Droopy wrote:I
f I don't like the outcome I can use the amendment process or elect representatives that will appoint Justices that mirror my own political temperment -- the same exact thing you can do!

I've given away nothing! I just understand the process!



You're so politically naïve it positively astounds.

But you dodge the primary point yet again.


No, you're missing the point! The judicial branch can not create legislation! They can not usurp the other branches. They can not take away the right of the citizens to amend the constitution (Marriage Amendment Act?:), nor can they stay on the bench forever -- it is not a stagnant process. You want it to be a stagnant process and pretend we're all wearing wigs and white powder.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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No! They are not creating legislation. They interpret the constitution and deem legislation constitutional or unconstitutional. The Justices can NOT create legislation.


Well, that's precisely what Roe was, judicial legislation. Why? Because the Court had no business ruling on that issue in the first place; it was a legislative issue to be worked through within legislatures, not courts. Hence, the Court usurped and arrogated to itself the legislative function.

Try following a logical argument, just for once Moniker, its great for the sinuses. "They interpret the constitution and deem legislation constitutional or unconstitutional." Yes, but when the issues upon which they rule and the determinations they make are:

1. Not legitimately within the purview of the judiciary, and
2. Not grounded in the text of the Constitution

then the court is, by definition, legislating from the bench; they are functioning as legislators within a judicial context, and the Constitution separates the powers of the state for precisely the reasons surrounding the present "culture wars".


As I explained numerous times to you before it is not a stagnant process. There can be amendments to state or the federal constitution. New Justices can be appointed. Legislation can be rewritten to pass constitutional muster.


Irrelevant to the fact that much of what the federal judiciary does is itself illegal and extraconstitional, being beyond their legitimate constitutional prerogatives.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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No, you're missing the point! The judicial branch can not create legislation! They can not usurp the other branches.


When you decide to take off your intellectual training wheels and engage these issues seriously Moniker, please feel free.

This is causing too much cerebral damage at this point to continue.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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Droopy wrote:
This is causing too much cerebral damage at this point to continue.


Ditto.

In a spirit of goodwill and increasing knowledge - Did it ever occur to you to actually take a certain issue and watch the evolution of the rulings? I think maybe if you did that you would understand where I'm coming from.

Why not start with Due Process? This was actually one that absolutely has always fascinated me and I actually get a bit bent out of shape about it...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases/ ... ocess.html

Or pick one you're interested in http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cases/topic.htm

and watch how the exact same Constitution is interpreted differently by different Justices at different times.

Some rulings you may applaud and others you may despise.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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In regards to the evolutionary purpose of homosexuality, I read an interesting theory, I believe by Robert Wright. Bisexuals tend to have sex earlier and have more partners. The head-start gives them an evolutionary edge. It is possible that the biological inclination towards bisexuality can also result in pure homosexuality under certain conditions.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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In regards to the evolutionary purpose of homosexuality, I read an interesting theory, I believe by Robert Wright. Bisexuals tend to have sex earlier and have more partners. The head-start gives them an evolutionary edge. It is possible that the biological inclination towards bisexuality can also result in pure homosexuality under certain conditions.



Oh my what pure unconstrained bilge.

How do you come up with these fantastic chocolate covered Whoppers Beastie?

You see, the problem with evolutionary theory, and Darwinism proper, isn't the theory itself as an explanation for the development of life, but precisely what we have above, the attempt to use it as an direct causal explanation for everything, including whatever it is we wish to indulge in ourselves behaviorally or whatever behavior in others we wish to justify socially, morally, and politically.

Biological determinism is another wonderful tool for the cultural Left because it employs the mechanisms of evolution to put an end to philosophical thought (and actual debate) and the idea that their are any number of problems within the human condition that cannot be, and should not be, answered by science.

Everything is just accepted as it is because it is. All is a function of evolution (at least, those things we want to affirm and support), and nothing within the realm of human behavior is anything but a derivative
epiphenomena of evolutionary development.

Case closed. All argument ended. All moral, ethical, and religious questions answered.


In the name of Dawkins, Sagan, and the Holy genome, amen.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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In regards to the evolutionary purpose of homosexuality, I read an interesting theory, I believe by Robert Wright. Bisexuals tend to have sex earlier and have more partners. The head-start gives them an evolutionary edge. It is possible that the biological inclination towards bisexuality can also result in pure homosexuality under certain conditions.



Beyond your crude reductionist fantasizing, it would be nice for your argument if there were the slightest shred of scientific evidence for a direct biological cause of homosexual ideation, desire, and feelings, wouldn't there?

Maybe Santa will bring you some for Christmas this year?
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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Beyond your crude reductionist fantasizing, it would be nice for your argument if there were the slightest shred of scientific evidence for a direct biological cause of homosexual ideation, desire, and feelings, wouldn't there?


What is a "direct biological cause"? Given you newest thread, I think this is an ambiguous phrase that you probably don't have a clear definition for or understanding of.
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Re: Are homophobes born that way?

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Crud. I thought this thread was about homophones.

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