Moral failure of LDS Leadership in Iraq invasion by US.

[_The Nehor]

You're not a fan, you're just another person that watched the movies not really paying attention to much beyond "pew pew lazors!" and "mhmmmmmm woosh hiss lightsabers!".

Thank you, that line just made my day. Nerd rage at its finest. Sigging that.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Yes, but the rebellion was fighting the Empire because the Empire was the bad guys, and the reason they were the bad guys is because they were led by the dark side of the force (Emperor and Darth Vader). So even if the rebel soldiers didn't know anything about the force, there was an overriding moral issue driving the war and it was between the good side of the force and the dark side.

I have no idea what this thread is even about anymore.

[_Angus McAwesome]

Ummm...actually my family is great. The families I watched disintegrate include my friends whose idiot father decided he was gay and ran off and a variety of other cheating fathers and often moron mothers.

Wow, so all you have is anecdotes about a few families you've "seen", and only one of those was an actual case of one of the parents being gay and "running off" while the rest are bog standard marital infidelity. Yeah, that sure is convincing, man.

Evidence? Dear God.......you want evidence that the family unit is collapsing?

No, I want evidence of these "historical" societies you claim fell inside of 3 generations solely due to homosexuality being permitted.

I can't and won't pin it all on gays. It's also the fault of sexually libertine heterosexuals though virtually every study I've read shows that homosexuals have them beat on that front too.

Nice back peddle. First it's "gays will destroy our very society", not it's "sexually liberated people will destroy our civilization". Ok, let's see these studies. I'm willing to bet every last one of them was conducted by an organization with no actual scientific credibility at all and are funded by religious special interest groups.

Societies throughout history depend on members of that society pairing off in heterosexual relationships and raising children in as stable an environment as possible.

I'm sure you have evidence to back this as well? I mean, you keep using the word "history" but you have yet to cite any.

Gays either don't participate or destroy preexisting family units. Homosexuality is a cancer. It's not the whole affliction but it plays it's part.

Yeah, couldn't at all be things like the ease of getting a divorce, or people who are socially incompatible or immature being pressured into marriages where they're unhappy, or stress caused by finances, or any number of other factors that have statistically supportable evidence for ending marriages.

Has to be those dirty faggots, amirite?

[_Angus McAwesome]

You're not a fan, you're just another person that watched the movies not really paying attention to much beyond "pew pew lazors!" and "mhmmmmmm woosh hiss lightsabers!".

Thank you, that line just made my day. Nerd rage at its finest. Sigging that.

So let me guess, when you loose the other argument we're having about gay marriage you're going to sig me again and attribute it to "fag rage"?

[_The Nehor]

I posted about a dozen studies in another thread. I can't be bothered to spend 30 minutes pulling it all together again since no one talked about it at all last time.

I never backpedaled. My point was always that sexually libertine societies are self-destructive. Homosexuality is a part of that.

I don't use Star Wars analogies and try to apply them to real-life situations. Star Wars has a diametrically opposed good and evil in it that is clear as day, incredibly simplified politics, and there is never any moral ambiguity. It's fun to live in that world for a while but trying to force it onto reality and complex problems will mess with your mind.

[_The Nehor]

So let me guess, when you loose the other argument we're having about gay marriage you're going to sig me again and attribute it to "fag rage"?

ROFL

Okay, and I thought the last line was funny. I'm actually crying now. Thank you. I was having a bad day. Oh, a friend who reads some of my threads suggested that you are incorrect. It's "snap hiss lightsabers" not "mhmmmmmm woosh hiss lightsabers!"

And yeah, you're such a mad fag. :)

[_Angus McAwesome]

I posted about a dozen studies in another thread. I can't be bothered to spend 30 minutes pulling it all together again since no one talked about it at all last time.

So what you're trying to say is that you're either to lazy to produce the evidence you claim to have that supports your argument when asked or that it doesn't exist in the first place?

Good to know.

I never backpedaled. My point was always that sexually libertine societies are self-destructive. Homosexuality is a part of that.

Yet your focus has been on homosexuals and not "sexual libertines" in general. You only drag out the "sexual libertines" crap when someone rubs your bigoted assholery in your face, Nehor. So like I said, nice back peddle...

I don't use Star Wars analogies and try to apply them to real-life situations. Star Wars has a diametrically opposed good and evil in it that is clear as day, incredibly simplified politics, and there is never any moral ambiguity. It's fun to live in that world for a while but trying to force it onto reality and complex problems will mess with your mind.

The whole Star War derail was in regards to your getting the movies wrong. had nothing to do with either the thread debate of Iraq or the new derail about gay marriage. But nice attempt at trying to red herring your way out of actually facing up being a bigoted asshole, Nehor.

[_The Nehor]

So what you're trying to say is that you're either to lazy to produce the evidence you claim to have that supports your argument when asked or that it doesn't exist in the first place?

Good to know.

Yet your focus has been on homosexuals and not "sexual libertines" in general. You only drag out the "sexual libertines" crap when someone rubs your bigoted assholery in your face, Nehor. So like I said, nice back peddle...

The whole Star War derail was in regards to your getting the movies wrong. had nothing to do with either the thread debate of Iraq or the new derail about gay marriage. But nice attempt at trying to red herring your way out of actually facing up being a bigoted asshole, Nehor.

Too lazy would be the correct answer. You participated in the thread where I posted the studies. No one said anything about them and the argument moved on to something else. If you were genuinely interested you probably would have responded.

My focus was on homosexuals as a part of the problem. To violate Godwin's Law, this is like insisting I'm dodging the point when discussing World War II when I say that Germany, Italy, or Japan are a problem and then point out that the bigger problem is the Axis as a whole.

Satan brought up my avatar and said I should understand an analogy. I said I thought he was wrong. I didn't expect the angry responses but hey, I got a new sig line out of the deal. I call that a win.

Edit: Wasn't this the Iraq thread? Ooops.

[_Angus McAwesome]

Too lazy would be the correct answer. You participated in the thread where I posted the studies. No one said anything about them and the argument moved on to something else. If you were genuinely interested you probably would have responded.

So not only are you to lazy to back your "points", you also to lazy to link to this thread you keep mentioning. Seriously, it's not my job to prove your claims because they are not my claims.

My focus was on homosexuals as a part of the problem. To violate Godwin's Law, this is like insisting I'm dodging the point when discussing World War II when I say that Germany, Italy, or Japan are a problem and then point out that the bigger problem is the Axis as a whole.

Well, since you brought up Nazi Germany for an analogy, i guess I can create a much more accurate analogy of your argument...

Focusing on gays and then saying that they are just part of a larger problem is a lot like Hitler blaming the jews for all of Germany's woes when they were just a part of a larger problem. Either way you're being a bigot and either you're trying to paint a specific group of people as the scape goat for your problems.

Satan brought up my avatar and said I should understand an analogy. I said I thought he was wrong.

Wasn't correcting either his analogy or you shooting down his analogy. I was correcting your understanding of what actually happened in a series of movies you claim to have seen.

I didn't expect the angry responses but hey, I got a new sig line out of the deal. I call that a win.

Wasn't angry at all with any of thsoe replies to your lack of understand of a series of films you claim to have seen. But feel free to keep the sig.

[_GoodK]

I never backpedaled. My point was always that sexually libertine societies are self-destructive. Homosexuality is a part of that.

Homosexual marriage isn't. Makes your point seem rather moot, no?


Ok, Lewis Skolnick and Gilbert Lowell can have their thread back now.