The FAIR Conference in Parts: A Failed Documentary

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LifeOnaPlate wrote:
Gadianton wrote:And what exempts Kerry's work from critique?


Jersey Girl already pointed it out. You can critique the amateur video of Shirts all you want. You'll just look strange doing it.


Ain't that the truth.

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Scratch the psychiatrist? As in "physician heal thyself"?

Nah. This thread, at least, has more of a Dante and Randal feel to it.

(If you know what that's a reference to, you're sicker than me.)


This just in: Someone on the board is sicker than me. I ain't sayin' who. They want to keep their good rep intact.

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LoP wrote:You can critique the amateur video of Shirts all you want. You'll just look strange doing it. Comparing Shirts' film to Meldrum's is a large, very large, leap


And I will. And I look just fine doing it. And comparing Kerry's work to Meldrum's is not a large leap. It's only large because you have a vested interest in protecting Kerry and selling out Meldrum, your brother in Christ.

The funny thing is, you actually do have a vested interest in Kerry being critiqued. Because anyone outside of FAIR and particularily Mormonism stumbling onto this documentary on youtube is not in any way, shape, or form, going to look more highly of the Church.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Gad wrote:The funny thing is, you actually do have a vested interest in Kerry being critiqued. Because anyone outside of FAIR and particularily Mormonism stumbling onto this documentary on youtube is not in any way, shape, or form, going to look more highly of the Church.



Well, *I* don't have a vested interest in Kerry being critiqued other than an aversion to the disingenous set up that this thread is. Anyone outside of FAIR and particularly Mormonism (such as myself) stumbling onto Kerry's website and examining multiple video series presented there, would look far more highly on the church.

Of course, you've apparently only got this one to set up and bang around and your doing so makes critics (especially ex-LDS) look no better than you think the church is represented by Kerry's videos.

It's obviously just a matter of switching herds.
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Gadianton wrote: Because anyone outside of FAIR and particularily Mormonism stumbling onto this documentary on youtube is not in any way, shape, or form, going to look more highly of the Church.


I think it is refreshing to see "home grown" productions with real people acting spontaneously and just being themselves. Do you prefer staged and choreographed productions in lieu of stuff put out there by the common folk? Why would you prefer that anything put out there having to do with the church be strictly polished and correlated? We have enough of that already. I think many folks out there watching you tube will see this video series for what it is...and nothing more. Don't read so much into it!

I think (as someone else here mentioned if I remember correctly) that it would be cool if we can get more "home grown" productions/video out there. It creates a much more well rounded and realistic picture of the church, its peripheral groups and associations and the people that belong to it/them.

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mentalgymnast wrote:I think it is refreshing to see "home grown" productions with real people acting spontaneously and just being themselves. Do you prefer staged and choreographed productions in lieu of stuff put out there by the common folk? Regards,
MG


It could be a skewed perception on my part, but I think both Scratch and Gad completely overlook the junior high school slam book nature of their so called "reviews".
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If you've ever watched a solid documentary, you would know that you present here a false dichotomy.

If you think that catching people who are camera shy unprepared and putting them on the spot is a window into their unscripted soul, then you are most uncharitable.

The problem with catching people in their natural state is that people aren't behaving naturally when an explosive personality like Kerry puts a camera in their face.

A superb documentary does not have to be overly polished. EA can force you to watch Errol Morris productions as a reference point for documentary making.

The church's productions in the last twenty years fail because they represent a lot of money backing no talent.
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LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Are apologists attempting to cash in, and to milk this (gullible?) market for as much as possible?

There's still that beachfront cottage in Tahiti that I don't own . . .

Mister Scratch wrote:That said, couldn't The Good Professor's $20,000 Chairman fee go towards distributing these organs of apologia for free?

Not possible. I need my $20K chairman fee, along with my $300K UFO captain's salary and the royalties from my perpetual motion machine and my just-patented left-handed smoke-shifter, just to feed the herd of unicorns that I maintain at the end of the rainbow in Shangri-La. Not to mention my expensive passion for snipe-hunting. (You should see my trophy wall.)
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Gad wrote:A superb documentary does not have to be overly polished


Were creating a "superb documentary" (strawman, much?) Kerry's goal in producing his FAIR Conference series, I would tend to agree with you. A person of integrity doesn't not need to overly mischaracterize the nature and purpose of a video series nor ignore the fact that it was intended for internet friends.
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Ray A wrote:
moksha wrote:Maybe I will attend incognito next year. Anyone care to join me?


But if you attend incognito how will I recognise you? Do I look for a man in a penguin suit?


Ray, like the penguin suit would be incognito! No, we would need to have both a sign and signal to alert us to each other's presence. Maybe even a penalty for failure to observe the proper signs or being a blabber mouth about it. Can you do the moon walk. I imagine most active Mormons are too stiff to do the moon walk.

Being incognito is best to avoid anyone's wrath. This would be especially important if Mr. Scratch attended. I could imagine the sparks flying then. So, could you drive the cab from Sydney?
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