Govenor Sarah Palin, Mormonism, Post-Mormonism, Politics

[_richardMdBorn]

OBAMA: Listen, I love my colleagues in the state legislature, but I think you should be voting for your United States Senator, not my colleagues. You know, I have a little understanding of the Constitution, since I teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago, and I understand that, in fact, that was the original way that the Constitution was framed.

It also prohibited anybody other than white, male property owners from voting. That's why we had amendments, so that black people and Asians and women could vote. It strikes me a funny way to empower people, to take their vote away.

Richard Note EA that Obama appealed to his expertise as a teacher on the constitution at UC but was WRONG about his point. Recently, he accused pro-life groups of lying about his vote on infants born alive amendment and was wrong about that too.

Obama: Well and because they have not been telling the truth. And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely in, fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported – which was to say – that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born – even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe vs. Wade.

Who's "Lying?"

NRLC objects. They point to evidence that SB 1082, the bill Obama voted against in committee, was amended to contain a "neutrality clause" that is identical to one contained in the federal law. (The Illinois government's legislative information Web site shows the proposed amendment, but doesn't give results for votes in committee. NRLC's documents show that the amendment was adopted.) Since he voted against the state bill, NRLC says, his claimed worry about Roe v. Wade is a smokescreen, intended to cover up his unconcern with the protection of infant lives.

In the NRLC white paper, Legislative Director Douglas Johnson writes that Obama "really did object to a bill merely because it defended the proposition, 'A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.' And it is that reality that he now desperately wants to conceal from the eyes of the public."

NRLC posted documents – which are so far undisputed – showing that Amendment 001 was adopted in committee and added the following text: "Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this Section." That wording matches exactly the comparable provision in the federal law.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

Fact check, which is NOT always reliable, then gives a possible rationalization for Obama's position, but clearly the pro-life groups were telling the truth and Obama owes them an apology.

[_Jason Bourne]

Since Palin was not chosen for the purpose of "getting him elected" and was instead chosen because she is supremely qualified to tackle the biggest issue facing the nation: our energy crisis, there is no "irony." She has fought tooth and nail on this and has been successful in everything she has set out to do.

Sorry Dart I gotta disagree. While so far I like Palin I think it is clear that she was largely picked out of political motivation. She is not the best pick to be president if McCain died in the first 100 days of office. Maybe two years or so down the road as VP she would be but not yet.

On the other hand if McCain just wanted a woman there were many out there with seemingly much more experience.

But I like that Palin is an outsider from DC and seems scrappy and seems like a fighter.

Also, why is she supremely qualified to deal with the energy crisis? I do not know enough about her on this. Just because she is from a state with oil? I am suspect about this. Keep in mind that while I am all for drilling anywhere we can in our own land I think the energy issues are far beyond just getting more oil.

I think Romney was far more qualified to be VP than Palin and more qualified to step into the presidency if something happens to McCain and that is an issue given his age. Course I wanted Romney on the top of the ticket. Really one of the best choiced for VP would have been Lieberman but that never would have worked with McCain's base.

Ah the silly turns of politics.

[_collegeterrace]

in my opinion, seeing the train about to fall into the ravine, they are gladly handing the presidency to the Democrats.

Think about it. Give the economy, Iraq, state of the US to the Democrats, when it looks to be turning the corner, pull it back and lead a parade of success.

[_EAllusion]

Oh give it up EA, you're not one to apologize for others. Your boy screwed up and he is without excuses, so stop making them for him.

I'm not making excuses. That's how I'd read that of most otherwise educated people I did not have prior reason to believe were ignorant or dumb. It's a very understandable way to misspeak the point, something I could see myself doing in a conversation. In an actual debate, I'd point out they are wrong and expect them to say "Whoops, what I mean is..." Hey, why not just assert that Obama thinks there are 57 States.? He lacks the basic knowledge of a 2nd grader!

I'm going to avoid your commentary on skin color and Obama's intelligence and qualifications, but suffice to say I have a problem with it.

I'll leave you back to arguing about the relative experience of Palin and Obama.

[_dartagnan]

I was reading the wiki article on Obama, and if it is half true, then it supports what I have said.

"Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition... In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review"

How'd he manage to get on such a fast track?

"The publicity from his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book"

Gee, so he was given a position teaching at UofC because he was the first black guy to get so much publicity at Harvard. Someone else asked why Obama didn't write any articles for the academic journals.

It seems he was too busy with the joys of being black in academia. Only a year after he got his JD, he got hired as a lecturer for the UofChicago. Do you think this was due to his accomplishments as a successful attorney? Of course not. He was still milking his status as the "first black man" hired at the Harvard Review. I mean what else could be the reason? What the hell did he do within that same year, between his graduation and the time Uof Chicago went hunting for his head?

The guy has been successful because of his race, and the main reason most people will vote for him today is because of that.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I was reading the wiki article on Obama, and if it is half true, then it supports what I have said.

"Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition... In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review"

How'd he manage to get on such a fast track?

"The publicity from his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book"

Gee, so he was given a position teaching at UofC because he was the first black guy to get so much publicity at Harvard. Someone else asked why Obama didn't write any articles for the academic journals.

It seems he was too busy with the joys of being black in academia. Only a year after he got his JD, he got hired as a lecturer for the UofChicago. Do you think this was due to his accomplishments as a successful attorney? Of course not. He was still milking his status as the "first black man" hired at the Harvard Review. I mean what else could be the reason? What the hell did he do within that same year, between his graduation and the time Uof Chicago went hunting for his head?

The guy has been successful because of his race, and the main reason most people will vote for him today is because of that.

Disgusting.

[_Jason Bourne]

No doubt, someone who doesn't believe global warming is man-made is just who we need to solve our energy crisis.

The controversy regarding climate change is quite complex. Scientists on both sides of the fence trot out evidence for and against. In fact there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate we have no global warming at at all and really are coming out of an period of rather abnormal cold temperatures as far as the history of the world goes.

in my opinion it would be far better to focus on prudent use of our resources, renewable energy and so on in a careful and responsible way rather than using scare tactics such as an assertion that global warming is a fact in order to put the public is a state of fear and use that fear to manipulate the masses.

[_moksha]

The guy has been successful because of his race, and the main reason most people will vote for him today is because of that.

Droopy and dartangan are finally on the same wavelength.

[_ICorsair]

I was reading the wiki article on Obama, and if it is half true, then it supports what I have said.

"Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition... In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review"

How'd he manage to get on such a fast track?

That isn't a fast track - it's SOP.

Members of a law review or other journal are selected through a process at the end of their first year (my school also combined grades and a write-on competition). Second year students do grunt work while the third year students run the journal as the senior staff. At the end of the second year, the second year students succeed the outgoing staff. On my journal, this was simply an interview process conducted by the outgoing third year students. This is done at the end of the second year so that the incoming third years can use the summer to prepare for the publication of the next issue and continue the nuts and bolts work of a journal (soliciting and articles, marketing, etc.).

[_dartagnan]

Ok, so how many presidents of the HLR are given contracts to write a book because they were elected president? He was given a 40k advance to write a book on, get this, "race relations."

So how do you explain the fact that he spent more time getting his JD than he did using it? He was immediately hired by the Uof Chicago when they knew of his book, and they accomodated him as if he already had tenure. Employment at the Uof CHicago nothing to sneeze at. One would expect that an impressive resume of accomplishments in the field be in order, but Obama's experience in jurisprudence was in its infancy at best. What did he accomplish in the field? Nothing. He apparently job hopped for years getting involved in all sorts of social programs. But what else?