Apologetics: Why bother?

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_moksha
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Re: Apologetics: Why bother?

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bcspace wrote:A member is typically going to recognize that what a nonmember, inactive member, or apostate member is saying is incorrect.


Good point. That way they do not feel compelled to make any get-rich-quick investments with them nor buy Amway products.
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Re: Apologetics: Why bother?

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JustMe wrote: I don't lose faith in what I know, because of what I don't know.

This makes no flipping sense whatsoever.

If you know something, for what is faith required?

And if you admit there are things about certain subjects that you don't know, then you don't really know about them, do you?

And is it really all that intelligent to believe in something based on incomplete information? It may be comforting, but it certainly isn't very bright.

Again, we see that faith is a foolish pursuit, unless you value comfort over reality.
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Re: Apologetics: Why bother?

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Critics of the Church are constantly getting the doctrine wrong because they refuse to accept the Church's own statements about what is doctrine lest their favorite argument gets negated.

Would that include the First Presidency's doctrinal statements on Blacks in the 1940s?


[taps the sign] Would those statements be published with the approval of both the FP and the Qo12?
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Re: Apologetics: Why bother?

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Some Schmo wrote:
JustMe wrote: I don't lose faith in what I know, because of what I don't know.

This makes no flipping sense whatsoever.

If you know something, for what is faith required?

And if you admit there are things about certain subjects that you don't know, then you don't really know about them, do you?

And is it really all that intelligent to believe in something based on incomplete information? It may be comforting, but it certainly isn't very bright.

Again, we see that faith is a foolish pursuit, unless you value comfort over reality.


It makes complete sense, Schmo.
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Re: Apologetics: Why bother?

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moksha wrote:
In your estimation, how aware is the gen. chapel population of Daniel's work? If I stopped in the local Ward, would most members know of his work?


When they have spoken of him, they seemed less familiar with his work than myself - so that means they are not familiar with it. However, he does get touted every few months as standing watch for the Church in battling against the forces of anti-mormon arguments. So in that sense, he is known and respected as much as a Seventies-level General Authority.


I'd be very surprised to find out that anyone in my ward had ever heard of Daniel Peterson.
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Harmony,

I'd be very surprised to find out that anyone in my ward had ever heard of Daniel Peterson.


This sound slike a great opportunity to sponser a fireside with Bro. Peterson. Set out a few Krispy Kremes and introduce him to the ward, perhaps an open forum on the subject of how to properly discuss the gospel when tough questions are posed by friends.
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harmony wrote:I'd be very surprised to find out that anyone in my ward had ever heard of Daniel Peterson.

Nobody in my ward has.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:I daresay that this issue has rocked apologetics to its very core

LOL. I'm the only person involved with the Maxwell Institute who's even aware of Scartch's nonsense on this issue.


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moksha wrote:
bcspace wrote:A member is typically going to recognize that what a nonmember, inactive member, or apostate member is saying is incorrect.


Good point. That way they do not feel compelled to make any get-rich-quick investments with them nor buy Amway products.


By the way, are we still on for that presentation next Thursday?
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Re: Apologetics: Why bother?

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Some Schmo wrote:This makes no flipping sense whatsoever.

If you know something, for what is faith required?

And if you admit there are things about certain subjects that you don't know, then you don't really know about them, do you?

And is it really all that intelligent to believe in something based on incomplete information? It may be comforting, but it certainly isn't very bright.

Again, we see that faith is a foolish pursuit, unless you value comfort over reality.


You don't get what faith is, do you? It's the willingness to act on what you know/have learned/want to test and view the results and then continue to trust that those results will continue. If Jesus Christ appeared before me tomorrow and showed me the visions of eternity I would still need faith to keep going.

People act like religion is different in that if it is proven there would be no need for faith. By this logic, we should have eradicated smoking and obesity long ago as we've shown that they are bad for you and how to avoid them.
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