JustMe's motto--is it legitimate?

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Shades
But shouldn't he put that knowledge to work by synthesizing it rather than just allowing it to collect dust in his brain?


Shades, I have always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Try not to devolve into a moron, k? This statement is just stoopid. YOU are above this type of non-thinking aren't you?

I synthesize all the information I put into my brain. You know why I know this. Because scientifically, that is simply what brains do. Do you get that? No one can NOT synthesize the knowledge in their brains. In other words, you are simply insulting me here. Not that I mind, but it certainly works against your better interest, if that interest is getting me to intelligently engage in discussion with you instead of proving I can hurl insults with the best of em.
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And actually............ I don't lose faith in what I know about computers, because of what I don't know about computers either. My ***DAMN*** computer just crashed. I *********HATE************ it when that happens. So since I don't know, since I don't *KNOW* what caused that, do I lose faith in my abilities to continue communicating using this electronic thing? Do I *really* know how the electrons in a computer works? Do I even yet know what electrons are? Do any of YOU know this? I mean KNOW this, I know you can quote a scientists views, that is irrelevant. What do YOU personally KNOW? My ignorance of computers, their operations, how they are built, how all those little metal parts and their functions on the mother board (HA! How much do ANY of you KNOW about how a Mother Board works?), certainly doesn't stop me from continuing to type on this keyboard and communicating on this message board.
I don't lose faith in what I know about computers, because of what I don't know about computers. I certainly do not cease using, or refuse to use a computer because I am ignorant about a lot of how it works, how they are built, etc. I use what I know about computers, even though I have vast amounts of ignorance about these computers. I don't refuse to use, appreciate, and enjoy computers until I learn absolutely EVERYTHING about them! I don't have to know it all first, and then act and enjoy computers, or even believe in them, and believe they work. And I seriously suspect that absolutely no one ever does either, since there is no one on the planet that knows *everything about computers.* That hardly stops us from using them though. THAT is the essense, on ANY subject, that this nifty statement means. Whether philosophy, science, religion, mathematics, etc.
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Shades
Name me one thing that Gordon B. Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson was wrong about. See? Told you so.


They were and are wrong about not administering the ability to extend our collective knowledge in this churchabout the Biblical Languages and learning them. All three, Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.
See? I told you your standards, idiotic desires to nitpick and find anything moronic in Mormonism, when it only backfires onto your own philosophy, and your weird inability to really grasp the ideas of Mormonism are seriously problematic. I found a problem with both of them in shortly ***under*** 5 seconds. And that was with half my brain tied behind my back.
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Shades
GoodK wrote:
To imply that religious faith (especially Christianity) is somehow noble in the absence of certainty is not intelligent. It is not indicative of being well read, to say the very least.


JustMe and Jersey Girl: What's your opinion of that statement by GoodK?


My opinion? I disagree with Goodk's opinion. It has absolutely nothing to do with being well read. The two are not logically even related, let alone linked.
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JustMe wrote:Shades
GoodK wrote:
To imply that religious faith (especially Christianity) is somehow noble in the absence of certainty is not intelligent. It is not indicative of being well read, to say the very least.


JustMe and Jersey Girl: What's your opinion of that statement by GoodK?


My opinion? I disagree with Goodk's opinion. It has absolutely nothing to do with being well read. The two are not logically even related, let alone linked.


My opinion is that it has little or nothing to do with the Kerry quote in the OP and I have no idea what it's in reference to.
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JustMe wrote:Gadianton
LOL! Surely, none of the books by the apologists are flawed due to "preconceived notions".


Ironically, and man do I mean IRONICALLY, it is precisely the FARMS Review which shows that many books written by Mormons on Mormon themes are precisely flawed due to preconceived notions.


Ahh, almost clever, you mean, the Chapel Mormons have all these preconceived notions but apologists, or Internet Mormons, don't. Well, Chapel Mormons do have preconceived notions, this is warrented by God the Father and his son, Jesus Christ, and yea, even the Holy Ghost. But Internet Mormons have the worst of both worlds given that they rely on preconceived notions that are not only entirely unscientific and anti-reason, but contrary to the teachings of the Mormon prophets.

The Exam by the way, is in a thread I started call, "It's time for an Exam" or something like that. Let's see how you do?
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JustMe wrote:My premise accepts I am ignorant on an innumerable amount of ideas, things, and philosophies. But do I quit believing in what I think I know because I don't know something else? This is not IGNORING evidence against my beliefs.


In that case--and considering everything else you wrote this evening--it appears as though I may have been mistaken regarding the metacontext of your statement.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION that you made it as an addendum to admitting that there are weak parts of your testimony.

YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND, assert that you merely mean that (paraphrasing) you don't fear having opinions merely because there remain certain unknowns regarding prospect X or prospect Y.

IF MY IMPRESSION WAS INCORRECT, then I hereby declare that there isn't anything else for me to say. I can hardly call you to account for something that you don't actually believe. (On the other hand, providing you really did mean it the way you're now describing, what was the original context, since pretty much everyone else is the same way anyhow?)

JustMe wrote:Shades

Dr. Shades wrote:But shouldn't he put that knowledge to work by synthesizing it rather than just allowing it to collect dust in his brain?


Shades, I have always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Try not to devolve into a moron, k? This statement is just stoopid. YOU are above this type of non-thinking aren't you?


I'll admit it: You're right on all counts. I worried a little about posting it, but considering the direction Jersey Girl was taking this thread, I knew I had to be brief and to the point, even if I had to take it to a rather absurd extreme.

I synthesize all the information I put into my brain. You know why I know this. Because scientifically, that is simply what brains do. Do you get that? No one can NOT synthesize the knowledge in their brains. In other words, you are simply insulting me here. Not that I mind, but it certainly works against your better interest, if that interest is getting me to intelligently engage in discussion with you instead of proving I can hurl insults with the best of em.


You're right, and I apologize. Perhaps I should've found a better way to get my point across. To salvage my argument, let me rephrase:

"Yes, JustMe is very well-read. But being well-read is not a guarantee that one's truth-detecting methodology is sound."

I hope that gets the same point across without being insulting.

JustMe wrote:Shades

Dr. Shades wrote:Name me one thing that Gordon B. Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson was wrong about. See? Told you so.


They were and are wrong about not administering the ability to extend our collective knowledge in this church about the Biblical Languages and learning them. All three, Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.


I wasn't asking Wheat for examples of things they were wrong not to do; I was asking Wheat for examples of statements they made or policies they enacted which were/are wrong.

Anyway, to avoid veering further off the point, I really would like to know if my initial understanding of your statement was incorrect. You said that there are weak spots in your testimony; would you kindly go on a limb and share with us what they are?
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Shades
YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND, assert that you merely mean that (paraphrasing) you don't fear having opinions merely because there remain certain unknowns regarding prospect X or prospect Y.


This is quite close, in fact, close enough, yes. Thanks for understanding. I am seeking further light and knowledge that Father promised, and it comes, but sometimes rather slowly, and not all together in a lump sum either. Sometimes it takes years to put it all together. I am open to learning more. That is the essence of that saying. I am not afraid of losing what I know or realizing what I know can be changed, and in all liklihood will change as I pursue more knowledge, but because I remain vastly ignorant is no reason to give up entirely on what I know already. And that is subject to revision even! Wowie......so fragile is our knowledge! "Such things become the hatch and brood in time." Warwick in The 2nd Part of King Henry the Fourth, III, i: 86.
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Shades
I'll admit it: You're right on all counts. I worried a little about posting it, but considering the direction Jersey Girl was taking this thread, I knew I had to be brief and to the point, even if I had to take it to a rather absurd extreme.


What "direction" was I taking this thread?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
My opinion is that it has little or nothing to do with the Kerry quote in the OP and I have no idea what it's in reference to.


LOL.

No idea what it's in reference to.

Right...
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