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[_Gazelam]

We're under orders to be kind to deranged bastards.

Well said. I have alot of love for homosexuals struggling to repent. Someone like Rosie O'donnel on the other hand.......

[_asbestosman]

Well, I think you're the one who forgot his primary lesson. Remember?

*sings* Jesus said, "Love every one, treat them kindly too".

That includes your homosexual neighbors, family members, friends, co-workers, and citizens of the world.

EVERYone, Gaz. YOU don't get to choose. YOU are commanded to not only love EVERYone, but you are commanded to treat them kindly too.

Just to throw gas on the fire--does the love everyone, treat them kindly thing also apply to the worst of the worst in society--genocidal dictators, homocidal maniacs, and the wealthy financial execs who screwed up the economy for the entire world?

[_asbestosman]

I'm afraid I have to side with Harmony on this one. We're under orders to be kind to deranged bastards.

Well, I think I'm generally kind to people on this board.
;)

[_Sethbag]

What happens in California has an affect on the rest of the nation. If a marriage is legal in California it has to be honored in the rest of the United States.

So what?

If you are married in Georgia, are you still married when you move to Oklahoma? See what I mean?

If a bigot from Utah moves to California, is he still a bigot?

This vote in California has national repercussions. And as far as the church is concerned, can a Gay couple who wants to be sealed in the temple sue the church for the right since Gay marriage will be legal?

No they can't, because the constitution says that churches can do churchy things with their members on their own terms, without governmental oversight or review. Let's ask this: can a Roman Catholic couple sue the LDS church today because the LDS won't let them get married in the temple? Ok, so what makes you think that gays would have any more of a case?

These sick deranged homosexual bastards need to be stopped.

This is the type of thing some of us say when we're trying to make a joke by acting all cartoonish. But you actually really are like this! We try to make a caricature of the bigot and you come along and ruin it for us. Now, if we really want a caricature, we've got to figure out how to act even more hateful and clueless. Thanks a lot, Gaz.

[_Yoda]

Well, I think you're the one who forgot his primary lesson. Remember?

*sings* Jesus said, "Love every one, treat them kindly too".

That includes your homosexual neighbors, family members, friends, co-workers, and citizens of the world.

EVERYone, Gaz. YOU don't get to choose. YOU are commanded to not only love EVERYone, but you are commanded to treat them kindly too.

Just to throw gas on the fire--does the love everyone, treat them kindly thing also apply to the worst of the worst in society--genocidal dictators, homocidal maniacs, and the wealthy financial execs who screwed up the economy for the entire world?

Does someone who is homosexual fall into this category, strictly on the basis of his/her homosexuality? I can tell you unequivocally, NO!!!

I have several dear friends who are homosexual, and they are good people, and solid contributors to the community.

Your analogy does not apply.

Stay tuned in my next post to Gaz for scriptural references. ;)

[_Yoda]

Gaz, you need to re-read Christ's parable of the Prodigal's son:

This is taken from the Luke 15:11-32.

11 ¶ And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the bhusks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had acompassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

You are acting like the jealous elder brother.

This is taken from a talk by President Gordon B. Hinckley in the June 1991 Ensign:

A spirit of forgiveness and an attitude of love and compassion toward those who may have wronged us is of the very essence of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Each of us has need of this spirit. The whole world has need of it. The Lord taught it. He exemplified it as none other has exemplified it.

In the time of his agony on the cross of Calvary, with vile and hateful accusers before him, those who had brought him to this terrible crucifixion, he cried out, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34.)

None of us is called on to forgive so generously, but each of us is under a divinely spoken obligation to reach out with pardon and mercy. The Lord has declared in words of revelation: “My disciples, in days of old, sought occasion against one another and forgave not one another in their hearts; and for this evil they were afflicted and sorely chastened.

“Wherefore, I say unto you, that ye ought to forgive one another; for he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin.

“I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men.

“And ye ought to say in your hearts—let God judge between me and thee, and reward thee according to thy deeds.” (D&C 64:8–11.)

Bold emphasis mine.

I suggest you read this talk in its entirety. Here is the link:

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Gaz, those "homosexual bastards" you were referring to are God's children. And, as Harmony said, they are someone's mother, father, child, aunt, uncle, etc.

If a homosexual, or a heterosexual person is directly harming you, or your family, then you obviously have a right to protect yourself and your family.

But you DO NOT have a right to simply pronounce judgment on someone you don't know, and who is causing you no harm. YOUR JOB, as a DISCIPLE of Christ, is to BE AN EXAMPLE.

My homosexual friends know I'm married. They know I have a family. They know I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They enjoy coming to my home because there is love, there is joy, there is music. They are drawn to the light of Christ that they feel.

Maybe, given time, they will be as the Prodigal's son. It may happen in this life. It may happen in the next. It will happen on God's timetable. Not on yours, or mine.

Now, in my appeal to you, as a friend, and as a fellow sister in Christ, please refrain from bigoted slurs against our homosexual brothers and sisters. It is personally offensive to me.

[_TAK]

Gaz wrote:

These sick deranged homosexual bastards need to be stopped.

You are an idiot !

I hope they come get you in the middle of the night..

[_Rollo Tomasi]

You don't get to say who Father accepts and who he doesn't. You don't get to decide who is allowed into his presence and who isn't.

No, but Christ does. Which of his prophets would you like me to quote on the subject?

How about those prophets who also described blacks in subhuman/inferior terms?

Get help, dude.

[_asbestosman]

Does someone who is homosexual fall into this category, strictly on the basis of his/her homosexuality? I can tell you unequivocally, NO!!!

I have several dear friends who are homosexual, and they are good people, and solid contributors to the community.

Your analogy does not apply.

I absolutely disagree with you in that I am certain my point is salient and I think you missed it. In fact, I'll be so bold as to say that you may very well agree if you knew what it was.

1) I made no analogy to homosexuals, but only to the point of loving everyone which Harmony brought up. She did not qualify it with Homosexuals or any other thing.

2) We are in fact commanded to love our enemies. This includes the Gestappo or as CS Lewis mentioned in Mere Christianity even an NCO (non-christian organization). He goes on to clarify that what it means to love our enemies like ourselves. It's a great chapter and I'll post sections later if requested.

3) Given 2, I think you can see that if loving even the Gestappo as ourselves is the standard, then we should at least love sinners that much. Furthermore sinners should not be our enemies (unless they entice us or our children to sin).

[_harmony]

3) Given 2, I think you can see that if loving even the Gestappo as ourselves is the standard, then we should at least love sinners that much. Furthermore sinners should not be our enemies (unless they entice us or our children to sin).

All of us sin. There is no getting around it.