Brethren gathering BYU force to help with Prop 8 ...

[_Droopy]

I'm afraid I have to side with Harmony on this one. We're under orders to be kind to deranged bastards.

But only if they ask real nice...

[_asbestosman]

All of us sin. There is no getting around it.

Sure there is. You just have to die before the age of accountability.

[_rcrocket]

Well, I think you're the one who forgot his primary lesson. Remember?

*sings* Jesus said, "Love every one, treat them kindly too".

That includes your homosexual neighbors, family members, friends, co-workers, and citizens of the world.

So, do you think that a person who supports Proposition 8 in California is a bigot and homophobic? By definition?

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[_Rollo Tomasi]

So, do you think that a person who supports Proposition 8 in California is a bigot and homophobic? By definition?

I think some (perhaps most) are. However, among Mormons, I think many are against Prop 8 but still back it thanks to undue pressure by their general and local leaders (the whole 'follow the prophet' thing).

[_rcrocket]

In my case, I support Proposition 8 because I have read the positions of both sides and have formed a conclusion that gay marriage is bad for society. I have contributed financially to the cause. Are you saying therefore that I fit within your categorization of a bigot and a homophobe?

My, my.

[_EAllusion]

So, do you think that a person who supports Proposition 8 in California is a bigot and homophobic? By definition?

To the extent that those who favored segregation were racists, sure. There are nuances in how one might go about answering that, but it's a matter of understanding the connection between the bigoted policies of a society and those people and cultures within that society who prop them up.

[_rcrocket]

So, do you think that a person who supports Proposition 8 in California is a bigot and homophobic? By definition?

To the extent that those who favored segregation were racists, sure. There are nuances in how one might go about answering that, but it's a matter of understanding the connection between the bigoted policies of a society and those people and cultures within that society who prop them up.

Is that an answer to my question? To say that, yes, you're a homophobe and a bigot if you are a homophobe and a bigot?

[_EAllusion]

In my case, I support Proposition 8 because I have read the positions of both sides and have formed a conclusion that gay marriage is bad for society. I have contributed financially to the cause. Are you saying therefore that I fit within your categorization of a bigot and a homophobe?

My, my.

Oh, no doubt you are a bigot. But I'm personally willing to argue certain people who are going along with the crowd without an appreciation for what they are doing and favor the policy are not. I also have empathy for certain people who are in the wrong, acting in a bigoted manner, but are ignorant and limited by their cultural milieu. Assigning blame and judging the rightness of an action aren't one in the same.

[_rcrocket]

So, is there an answer to my question? You say I am a bigot and a homophobe. What leads you to that conclusion? That I support Prop 8?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I have contributed financially to the cause.

Quite handsomely, too, per CA public records.

Are you saying therefore that I fit within your categorization of a bigot and a homophobe?

Yes.