Democratic Party a Better Home for Mormons

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How unfairly one is treated and how much one is compensated for that unfairness are very different things. Compensation has as much or more to do with how much noise you make as with what actually happened.

The fact is that the neither political party even considers past unfairness to Mormons. It's not talked about or even known, much less compensated or remedied. Was it not as widespread as other minorities? Why does that matter? If you were among those who had your lands stolen and your house burned down, your family was setback just as much as anybody else. The point is that it's not even addressed. Mormons are not a valued and protected minority like blacks, jews, or homosexuals. It's completely politically correct to say you wouldn't vote for a Mormon but you could risk going to jail or losing your job if you admit that you discriminate against blacks, jews, homosexuals, Moslems, or women. I believe a big part of that is not that Mormons aren't as discriminated against, but rather because they don't make as much noise. You can't tell me that when the democrats preach a commitment to diversity, they're talking about Mormons as well. I think Reverend Sharpton's comments during the Romney campaign shows a more clear picture of how the leaders of the democratic party view Mormonism.

Even religion in general is viewed as superstitious foolishness to most democrats. Part of the democrats rejection of religion is what allowed the Republicans to win the vote of poorer religious people. If the democrats were to go to bat for a religion, it would probably be Islam long before they'd ever fight for Christianity.

I know we live in a two party system and the Republican party would never nominate a Mormon, but seriously Moshka, democrat and Mormon shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Most Mormons who are democrat aren't really Mormon anymore, or at least they're headed on a path away from the Church.

[_Brackite]

Also moral issues such as abortion, gay marriage, capital punishment, gambling, etc. all run contrary to LDS doctrine in the Democratic party.

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I am unaware of any LDS doctrine which requires capital punishment. I am only aware of doctrine that allows for it if the government so chooses.

Hi there asbestosman,

Here is Alma Chapter One, Verses 13 through 15, Within The Book of Mormon:

Alma 1:13-15:

[13] And thou hast shed the blood of a righteous man, yea, a man who has done much good among this people; and were we to spare thee his blood would come upon us for vengeance.

[14] Therefore thou art condemned to die, according to the law which has been given us by Mosiah, our last king; and it has been acknowledged by this people; therefore this people must abide by the law.

[15] And it came to pass that they took him; and his name was Nehor; and they carried him upon the top of the hill Manti, and there he was caused, or rather did acknowledge, between the heavens and the earth, that what he had taught to the people was contrary to the word of God; and there he suffered an ignominious death.

[_asbestosman]

Why weren't the Ammonites executed--the ones who buried their weapons and promised not to fight anymore?

Maybe Alma 1 has more to do with making just rulings in court. I think you can support almost anything you want from the standard works, and often times with good intent (one doesn't necessarily intend to twist the word). The scriptures are kinda funny that way.

But thanks for the reference, it does help.

[_Brackite]

Why weren't the Ammonites executed--the ones who buried their weapons and promised not to fight anymore?

Maybe Alma 1 has more to do with making just rulings in court. I think you can support almost anything you want from the standard works, and often times with good intent (one doesn't necessarily intend to twist the word). The scriptures are kinda funny that way.

But thanks for the reference, it does help.

You are very Welcomed, asbestosman!. :)

[_bcspace]

Yeah I seem to remember the Temple Ceremony making me promise to give EVERYTHING to the Church. But hey that's not socialism its just screwed up Mormonism.

Instead of remaining in ignorance, you might want to avail yourself of what the Church actually teaches about the UO vs. Socialism in it's own manuals.

D&C Institute manual, Enrichment section L-6

[_bcspace]

BC, do you see the Mormons staying with a party that thinks Mormons are too strange to ever be anything other than donation givers?

Not necessarily. For example, I myself am not a Republican. But I do see them as remaining conservative and opposed to the values of today's Democratic party.

I completely do not understand why you think the Democrats would reject Mormons. Did you not see their earnest offer in the quote box?

A sham. That is a local Utah organization. The national party shuns LDS as much if not more than the EV wing of the GOP.

[_bcspace]

While the field seems ripe, 2/3 of LDS are essentially inactive or less active, many of those hold to traditional LDS values.

I didn't realize the percentage was so high.

Well, attendance is actually around 50%, but I am referring to full tithe payers and TR holders. That figure is usually around 33% in virtually every ward and stake I've served in.

[_bcspace]

I am unaware of any LDS doctrine which requires capital punishment. I am only aware of doctrine that allows for it if the government so chooses.

Incorrectly stated. While the Church has not taken a political stance on it, LDS doctrine is that the murderer should be put to death. For example....

GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES
Capital Punishment

Whoso sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed, Gen. 9: 6 (JST, Gen. 9: 12-13). The murderer shall surely be put to death, Num. 35: 16. Murderers who deliberately kill shall die, 2 Ne. 9: 35. Thou art condemned to die according to the law, Alma 1: 13-14. He that murdered was punished unto death, Alma 1: 18. The law requires the life of him who has murdered, Alma 34: 12. He that kills shall die, D&C 42: 19.

[_ludwigm]

I am unaware of any LDS doctrine which requires capital punishment. I am only aware of doctrine that allows for it if the government so chooses.

Incorrectly stated. While the Church has not taken a political stance on it, LDS doctrine is that the murderer should be put to death. For example....
GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES
Capital Punishment
Whoso sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed, Gen. 9: 6 (JST, Gen. 9: 12-13). The murderer shall surely be put to death, Num. 35: 16. Murderers who deliberately kill shall die, 2 Ne. 9: 35. Thou art condemned to die according to the law, Alma 1: 13-14. He that murdered was punished unto death, Alma 1: 18. The law requires the life of him who has murdered, Alma 34: 12. He that kills shall die, D&C 42: 19.

I am suggesting a little more :

Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.

(Brigham Young, "Instructions to the Bishops, Etc.," Journal of Discourses, reported by G.D. Watt 16 March 1856, Vol. 3 (London: Latter-Day Saint's Book Depot, 1856), 247. The entire sermon is on pages 243-249.)
You can read it here on fairLDS.

US Supreme Court: Capital Punishment
Penalizes those convicted of certain classes of crimes by killing them. While many societies practice capital punishment, most developed countries had abolished death sentencing by 2003. The European Union mandates, and international covenants favor, abolition of this practice. Although outlawed in some states, in 2003 capital punishment was legal in thirty‐eight states, the federal government, and the U.S. military.

In the civilised countries there is no capital punishment.
In other countries anything can happen.

2008-10-29 19:38
Egypt's doctors' union slammed as ''worse than death'' a punishment of 1,500 lashes handed down by a Saudi court to an Egyptian doctor for allegedly turning a Saudi princess into a drug addict.
Doctor Rauf Amin, 53, is being whipped at the rate of 10-15 lashes a week during a 15-year jail term, said Hamdi al-Sayyad, director of the Doctors Syndicate. He was charged with giving the woman morphine to ease her pain following a riding accident, which allegedly turned her into an addict.
Sayyed described Amin's trial as unfair and his sentence - doubled on appeal from 750 lashes and seven years prison - as torture.
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

[_Jason Bourne]

Most Mormons who are democrat aren't really Mormon anymore, or at least they're headed on a path away from the Church.

This simply is not true and not matter how much you say it or how much the narrow minded BC says it, it simply is false. There are many good LDS that are democrats. I know a number and three of them have been either SPs or counselors to SPs in my area. I know one GA who is and a area 70. I have discussed this with them. They pick and choose and weigh the issues. They knwo there are thing in the democratic party they do not agree with but other issues that mean more to them tip the scales. They are good LDS and are not on their way out. Only narrow minded perlously pious fools see it as such. Unfortunately the LDS Church breeds many such.