BKP Predicts the End of the World as We Know It?

[_Dwight Frye]

I don't know if this thread is about BKP's talk anymore, but I thought I'd use it to link to today's SLTrib write-up of it:

http://www.sltrib.com/LDS/ci_10859913

[_Ray A]

I don't know if this thread is about BKP's talk anymore, but I thought I'd use it to link to today's SLTrib write-up of it:

http://www.sltrib.com/LDS/ci_10859913

Cris Robinson, a Utah County member of the Mormon apologist group FAIR, reports on the organization's Web site a conversation with LDS Public Affairs that confirmed Packer spoke but cautioned that the purported transcript circulating "should not be considered to be authoritative."

FAIR certainly seem to have a big role in steadying the Ark.

[_harmony]

I don't know if this thread is about BKP's talk anymore, but I thought I'd use it to link to today's SLTrib write-up of it:

http://www.sltrib.com/LDS/ci_10859913

From the article:

Julie M. Smith, an LDS institute teacher and blogger in Austin, Texas, notes a few reasons why members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were so eager to spread Packer's comments to others in the faith.
"People are scared to death about the financial crisis," says Smith, who received two copies of the speech and heard it mentioned during a Sunday school class. "They are desperate for a revelation that will help them navigate through our treacherous times."

Some comments:

1. who is Julie Smith and why does anyone care so much about what she says that they're quoting her in a newspaper that is hundreds if not thousands of miles away from her?

2. If members are scared in the financial crisis, so scared they're desperate for a revelation about how to navigate it, perhaps they should have listened to the counsel of the prophet years ago, when he and others have repeatedly said to live within our means, save as much as we tithe, and to quit building McMansions on Recommend Ridge!

There is no excuse for any member to panic in the face of the current financial crisis. Anyone who is panicking deserves to be slapped upside the figuretive financial head. It's not hard... we don't need a 'revelation'. What is needed is people to live as we've been told to live.

Good grief. Some days, Mormons make me so damned mad!

[_harmony]

FAIR certainly seem to have a big role in steadying the Ark.

Haven't you heard? FAIR is the power behind the throne. God's not needed anymore; we have FAIR instead. We went from God, who didn't talk much, to FAIR, who talks constantly.

[_Ray A]

Haven't you heard? FAIR is the power behind the throne. God's not needed anymore; we have FAIR instead. We went from God, who didn't talk much, to FAIR, who talks constantly.

I know. Everything has been "asked and answered". When FAIR speaks, the thinking has been done.

[_Roger Morrison]

Harmony said:

If members are scared in the financial crisis, so scared they're desperate for a revelation about how to navigate it, perhaps they should have listened to the counsel of the prophet years ago, when he and others have repeatedly said to live within our means, save as much as we tithe, and to quit building McMansions on Recommend Ridge!

There is no excuse for any member to panic in the face of the current financial crisis. Anyone who is panicking deserves to be slapped upside the figuretive financial head. It's not hard... we don't need a 'revelation'. What is needed is people to live as we've been told to live. (UL added by RM)

Yer right, uh correct, ;-) Harmy. Sheds light on who LDS really listen to, Salt Lake or Madison Ave? Materialist Mormons, or aspirants, I think far out number their non-materialist Bros & Sisses. In my 6 decades of Saintly associations anyway???

Warm regards, Roger :-)

[_harmony]

Yer right, uh correct, ;-) Harmy. Sheds light on who LDS really listen to, Salt Lake or Madison Ave? Materialist Mormons, or aspirants, I think far out number their non-materialist Bros & Sisses. In my 6 decades of Saintly associations anyway???

Warm regards, Roger :-)

I remember an article in the Ensign several years ago about greed. I'm not sure, but I might have been the only person to read it. It struck me quite strongly, and perhaps influenced me to the degree that I refused to join in, or even try to understand what drove, the decades long push for bigger houses, bigger cars, more expensive clothes that still takes place in my neighborhood. I couldn't compete then; now I could, but I choose to not join that brigade.

I don't understand why anyone needs a 3000+ sq ft home, a new Lincoln every other year, and a vacation in the tropics. If that's your lifestyle, then don't expect God to bail you out, when your credit cards and home mortgage become unmanagable because the bottom dropped out of the market.

Wheat went from $15 a bushel to $4 a bushel in 3 months this fall. Farmers are losing money if they plant right now... and they have to plant right now (actually, they're late) if they want a crop next year. The price of hay is half what it was in mid-summer. Corn is down, beans are down, spuds are holding firm but that's because they're a contract commodity, not open market.

The time is past to pull in our spending. We should have done that 10 years ago. We were warned repeatedly to live within our means. Disregarding God's warnings doesn't obligate him to pull us out of the quicksand when the market takes a hit. We can't expect a miracle when we were deliberately disobedient.

Pres Packer had a fine opportunity to tell it like it is. Putting the blame for the problem in his ward on the economy is shortsighted; the problem in his ward is disobedience to the counsel we've all been given and the blame lays on the shoulders of all those who ignored the counsel. They, and we, don't deserve a miracle. They, and we, deserve exactly what we have.

[_Roger Morrison]

Harmony said:

I don't understand why anyone needs a 3000+ sq ft home, a new Lincoln every other year, and a vacation in the tropics. If that's your lifestyle, then don't expect God to bail you out, when your credit cards and home mortgage become unmanagable because the bottom dropped out of the market.

How about: to be visible; to compensate for low self esteem; cuz they're sucked into consumerism as the economic base of needlessness that takes from the stupid and gives it to the cunning & crafty ;-) (We certaintly don't want to disturb that system, says McCain :-) AND vacations: to get away from da cold & da snow! Now that one I endorse, but not extravagantly. When ya work it right, ya just shift living expenses from here to there, and add on sun-screen :-)

Great learning going on in these times. Like the old-song says, "...do what's right... you have no need to fear..." But, folks misunderstand, "...God your helper will always be near..." It ain't "God," its the Law-of-Consequence: "...decreed...blessings...by obedience to the law bredicated to the harvest...plant & reap."

One doesn't even have to know the schematics. Just the right buttons to bush & the levers to pull: AT THE RIGHT TIME!

Glad you're one of the smart ones Siss.
Warm regards,
Roger