I was raised in a family that played pinochle. I learned when I was ten, after I didn't chew my fingernails for a whole week. I think my dad was just dying to have a partner.
When I married, I wasn't allowed to play pinochle any longer. Face cards were evil. We played Rook, but not pinochle. When we played pinochle with my parents, my husband always felt guilty. He had sinned with face cards. We attended my mom's pinochle parties, but he was never comfortable playing with the devil's cards.
Fast forward 33 years. My 4th son married into a family that were pinochle fanatics. He loves the game so much, he converted all of his siblings to it, and we now have pinochle tournaments at family reunion.
Fast forward to today. The wall is definitely coming down. My daughter is going to a pinochle party tonight... at my bishop's house!
That which was evil yesterday is not evil today!
Just wait, all you SSM folks. Your time will come too.
Face cards
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(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Re: Face cards
I grew up with face cards. My uncle gave me a poker set when I was 10. I knew the value of all of the chips, etc.
We still play poker every time we go to Uncle Archie's house. His house is a great place for a kid. He keeps candy bars in his vegetable drawer in the fridge. ;)
My husband will never initiate a face card game, and his parents are definitely not face card players, but he'll play Crazy 8, Gin Rummy, and Poker when we visit my folks.
Interesting...my folks are also members. It must be something about California. LOL
We still play poker every time we go to Uncle Archie's house. His house is a great place for a kid. He keeps candy bars in his vegetable drawer in the fridge. ;)
My husband will never initiate a face card game, and his parents are definitely not face card players, but he'll play Crazy 8, Gin Rummy, and Poker when we visit my folks.
Interesting...my folks are also members. It must be something about California. LOL
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No card games at all for us when we were kids. Apparently we would end up telling fortunes and communing with the devil if we gave in to the tempation. Cards without numbers - with pictures of fish or Mrs Bun the baker's wife were OK. Sort of the opposite of the 'face card thing'.
By the time my youngest two brothers were homeschooled the rules had changed, and standard playing cards were an aide to numeracy. Although for some reason my TBM mum had picked up the idea that the metric system was originally a cold-war communist plot to undermine academia in the West.
By the time my youngest two brothers were homeschooled the rules had changed, and standard playing cards were an aide to numeracy. Although for some reason my TBM mum had picked up the idea that the metric system was originally a cold-war communist plot to undermine academia in the West.
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I just shocked my husband, when I told him where his daughter is.
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Hi Harmony,
Are you really comparing People who believed that Face cards are evil to People who oppose legally recognizing Same Sex Marriages?
Are you really comparing People who believed that Face cards are evil to People who oppose legally recognizing Same Sex Marriages?
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Re: Face cards
harmony,
Do you remember if this caution against face cards was also a part of your pre-LDS religious upbringing? Somewhere in the far recesses of my mind, I seem to remember that card playing was prohibited for Christian's in general and I can't for the life of me remember why right now. I always thought it had more to do with gambling.
I was carried into church as an infant and raised up in a Protestant church/family/environment. And I learned to play cards as a child. No gambling or exposure to gambling was ever a part of that.
Of course we were a family that danced, too.
:-D
Do you remember if this caution against face cards was also a part of your pre-LDS religious upbringing? Somewhere in the far recesses of my mind, I seem to remember that card playing was prohibited for Christian's in general and I can't for the life of me remember why right now. I always thought it had more to do with gambling.
I was carried into church as an infant and raised up in a Protestant church/family/environment. And I learned to play cards as a child. No gambling or exposure to gambling was ever a part of that.
Of course we were a family that danced, too.
:-D
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Why are face cards considered evil by LDS? Are you all talking about the standard deck of 52 playing cards or just the J,Q,K's?
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Re: Face cards
Brackite wrote:Hi Harmony,
Are you really comparing People who believed that Face cards are evil to People who oppose legally recognizing Same Sex Marriages?
Well, my totally Chapel Mormon husband was raised to believe both of those things, Brackie (face cards and homosexuality are both evil). The source of both teachings is the same.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Jersey Girl wrote:harmony,
Do you remember if this caution against face cards was also a part of your pre-LDS religious upbringing? Somewhere in the far recesses of my mind, I seem to remember that card playing was prohibited for Christian's in general and I can't for the life of me remember why right now. I always thought it had more to do with gambling.
I was carried into church as an infant and raised up in a Protestant church/family/environment. And I learned to play cards as a child. No gambling or exposure to gambling was ever a part of that.
Of course we were a family that danced, too.
:-D
There was no caution against face cards in my childhood. My parents loved playing pinochle, and were legendary in their group of friends for Momma's parties. No alcohol (my daddy was a teetotaler), but a big tureen of the soup of the day, homemade bread, some sort of dessert, coffee, and three or four tables of pinochle. There were prizes for the highest and lowest woman and man, and for 100 Aces and Double Pinochle (whoever had them last got to take the prize home). Dinner was at 6, play started at 7 and went until 10. They'd play 4 hands and move tables and partners. They only played in the winter (we were all farmers), they rotated houses every other week, and no one ever played for money... it was all good fun.
Momma still hosts parties, even though my dad is gone. The menu is still the same. Many of the players are still the same. My oldest daughter is her usual partner, but sometimes I get roped in if Daughter isn't available.
I could never understand why there was a prohibition against face cards, but I guess it has something to do with some of the Saints having a gambling problem decades ago. I think it was a case of advice given, then the advice was extrapolated to prohibition before gaining almost commandment status when BRM included it in Mormon Doctrine... and no one has ever seen fit to lift it.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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_Danna
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Here, further downunder (than Oz), we were told that playing 'cards' (all the standard playing cards) was wrong in a specific Mormon context. Off the top of my head there was instruction to that effect given during the big trek west(?).
The reason we kids were given was that the temptation was to use them as tarot cards or for fortune telling, which invited in evil spirits. Gambling with cards was not a big risk as I recall (even though all gambling from raffle tickets/lotteries on up was really bad as well).
I guess that the missionaries would have passed on the card ban, but cards were not a big gambling instrument back then. No casinos and the pubs (bars) had to close at 6pm (then 11pm when I was a teenager). Anyone with a gambling problem would hang out at the race track. My Maori grandmother took me to the race track while babysitting (not that she had any sort of gambling problem, but the parents were horrified).
It is interesting how the card 'ban' was interpreted in a different culture, and supplied a locally appropriate justification.
What you describe as Pinochle sounds very similar to 'Bridge', and Bridge parties, is it the same thing?
The reason we kids were given was that the temptation was to use them as tarot cards or for fortune telling, which invited in evil spirits. Gambling with cards was not a big risk as I recall (even though all gambling from raffle tickets/lotteries on up was really bad as well).
I guess that the missionaries would have passed on the card ban, but cards were not a big gambling instrument back then. No casinos and the pubs (bars) had to close at 6pm (then 11pm when I was a teenager). Anyone with a gambling problem would hang out at the race track. My Maori grandmother took me to the race track while babysitting (not that she had any sort of gambling problem, but the parents were horrified).
It is interesting how the card 'ban' was interpreted in a different culture, and supplied a locally appropriate justification.
What you describe as Pinochle sounds very similar to 'Bridge', and Bridge parties, is it the same thing?