Another candidate for the "Banned from MAD" club...

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Re: Another candidate for the "Banned from MAD" club...

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Mister Scratch wrote:
I am willing to bet money that Wheat = Will Schryver. If that is the case, then he is guilty of rank hypocrisy and lying, and thus he will be the one who is burnt to a cinder during the Second Coming.


I'm leaning more towards Wheat = Conan
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Re: Another candidate for the "Banned from MAD" club...

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Runtu wrote:I'm kind of hoping he's an exmo sockpuppet trying to make the church look bad, because I don't like to think that there are Mormons out there who think and feel as he does.

I'm pretty sure there are Mormons out there who may have similar thoughts, but I have never really had a personal one-on-one discussion with one who entertains such things. There is probably a handful of members who think this way, though. Every box of cracker jacks has a toy.
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Re: Another candidate for the "Banned from MAD" club...

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LifeOnaPlate wrote:
Runtu wrote:I'm pretty sure there are Mormons out there who may have similar thoughts, but I have never really had a personal one-on-one discussion with one who entertains such things. There is probably a handful of members who think this way, though. Every box of cracker jacks has a toy.


I had more than one missionary companion who found comfort in the idea that the people who yelled us off their doorsteps would "get theirs" someday.
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cinepro wrote:I had more than one missionary companion who found comfort in the idea that the people who yelled us off their doorsteps would "get theirs" someday.



Oh, in that case I probably have had a few moments myself where I thought something like "you'll see!" or something like that. I have come to realize such thoughts are offensive to the Spirit of God in my experience, and though am not always free of a little inner wrath, to claim such feelings as being contingent on scripture, not only acceptable but fundamental, is something I have not experienced. You raise a good point, though, I've experienced something of that with a few mission companions. Nothing sustained like what wheat presents, however. And nothing as graphic and gleeful. There is more annoyance or anger in the manifestations I have seen than eager anticipation.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
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antishock8 wrote:Well, Cinepro, if it makes you feel better I was banned for calling Mr. Peterson "Mr. Peterson". That's right. I was banned for being respectful.

Crazy.


No way. Are you kidding me? :surprised: (I just wanted to use that smiley, really) Of course they would ban you for that.
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LoaP: can you point out a specific verse or declaration that says that believers will be drooling over the charred remains of their brothers and sisters?

Your words, not mine. I have only said things consistent with the message of the scriptures. I do rejoice in the day that the enemies of God and the Saints will be swept from the earth, and the King of Kings will assume his throne.

Like most, I am weak and flawed. But I fear God, and I rejoice in His goodness, might, and glory. And I would sooner die a thousand horrible deaths than ever deny or betray Him.
Psalm 102:11-16

My days are like a shadow that declineth; and I am withered like grass.

But thou, O Lord, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.

Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.

For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.

So the heathen shall fear the name of the Lord, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.

When the Lord shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.


Psalm 97:8

Zion heard, and was glad; and the daughters of Judah rejoiced because of thy judgments, O Lord.


1 Peter 4:13

But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.


Read all of Revelation 18, which details the judgments of God falling upon Babylon and all who choose to remain in her. Then the first few verses of chapter 19:

Rev. 19:1-9

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.


And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


Yes, all who are preserved at that day will rejoice at the destruction of Babylon and her minions and the redemtption of Zion. Until then we are to bear all in meekness. But in that day – and in the hope of that day - we can and ought to rejoice, for the arm of the Almighty God will be revealed to administer mercy and judgment to the inhabitants of the earth. I look forward to that day, and to the opportunity to shout Alleluia! when Babylon and her hosts are utterly destroyed from off the face of the earth, and Zion – finally! – receives her King.

Those who confuse the obligation to have charity with some vague idea of bland tolerance for the enemies of God are completely clueless about the nature and personality of that God who rules in the heavens above. He is the supreme example of charity, mercy, loving kindness, fatherly tenderness, and perfect love. But that does not make him endlessly and unconditionally tolerant of those who mock him, his laws, his Saints, and his promise to eventually render judgment upon the wicked. The same God who, while suffering on the cross, spoke the immortal words: ‘Father, forgive them …’ is also the same being who said this:

I have trodden the wine-press alone, and have brought judgment upon all people; and none were with me; and I have trampled them in my fury, and I did tread upon them in mine anger, and their blood have I sprinkled upon my garments, and stained all my raiment; for this was the day of vengeance which was in my heart.

He who has ‘trodden the wine-press alone’ deserves this day as much as those who will be trampled in his fury. And the world has never seen such fury as He will unleash in that day. Yes, he is the God of Love, but he is also the God of Battles, and the shock and awe he will unleash upon the wicked in that day will eclipse anything ever known in the history of mankind. Those who would begrudge him his vengeance, or feel not to rejoice in his day of glory, are not worthy of him nor his kingdom.



I do hope that at least one among you will ultimately come to see the error of your ways, and return to God with full purpose of heart before it is too late. Despite my inclination to rejoice at the thought of the final well-deserved destruction of Babylon, my soul still aches for the many former Saints who have hardened their hearts and blinded their eyes to the glorious truths of the restored gospel, and who have become lost in the mists of darkness or the pride of the great and spacious building. Such a waste! But I continue to believe that there are among you some few – or even one – whose fate is not yet sealed.

And with that lingering hope, I bid you all farewell.
I want to express my sincere thanks to the Mormon Discussions message board for helping me to see and understand the true nature of apostasy.
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Re: Another candidate for the "Banned from MAD" club...

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GoodK wrote:No way. Are you kidding me? :surprised: (I just wanted to use that smiley, really) Of course they would ban you for that.


I must have missed that altogether. What was your username?
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

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Runtu wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:I'm not aware of any scripture that says Christians ought to feel gleeful about retribution, suffering, etc. I disagree that Mormonism "really" is about celebrating suffering. I think that's an awful thing to say, and inaccurate as well.


Thanks, LOAP. I honestly do not understand people like Wheat.


This is a rare occasion where I also agree with LoaP!

I believe folks like Wheat are infusing their own anger and frustration into their god, who they hope will squash those with whom they disagree. It also wouldn't surprise me to discover that "fear of god" was used to control people into obeying and paying through the centuries.

I'm not sure if it's scriptural, but the concept of a vengeful god and a burning hell of eternal torment is a widespread belief in christian circles. In fact, one of my major problems with traditional Christianity is the concept of an eternal fiery hell of torture. Perhaps god has a different version of "justice" or "love", but I find the idea of hell to be completely incongruent with a loving, just, fatherly god. Ditto for a day when all the wicked will be burned.

Who here would relegate their beloved children to an eternity of fire and pain, or even allow another to perform such heinous torture on their children? I can't worship a god who would allow it.
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Re: Another candidate for the "Banned from MAD" club...

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Mister Scratch wrote:
I am willing to bet money that Wheat = Will Schryver. If that is the case, then he is guilty of rank hypocrisy and lying, and thus he will be the one who is burnt to a cinder during the Second Coming.


You're an [insert here either an insult or a compliment, although note that the word implied here begins with a vowel].

Wheat is a troll; he's one of you faking it. I have it on good authority.
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rcrocket wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:
I am willing to bet money that Wheat = Will Schryver. If that is the case, then he is guilty of rank hypocrisy and lying, and thus he will be the one who is burnt to a cinder during the Second Coming.


You're an [insert here either an insult or a compliment, although note that the word implied here begins with a vowel].

Wheat is a troll; he's one of you faking it. I have it on good authority.


I certainly hope so. If not, I sincerely feel bad for the state of his soul.
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