Who is this Mormon God?

[_Inconceivable]

Hi Inc..

So, if I am understanding you correctly, you believe there is some entity (the Mormon God?) who has given you power and has tricked you into believing Mormonism? This entity is (may be), the same one that tricked Joseph Smith and other Mormons but it is not the actual God of the universe?

Is that about right?

Yes, but think about it. Remove the word "tricked" and "not the actual God of the Universe" and that is the definition of Mormon modern revelation.

As I read your past few posts I'm reminded of those people who channel deceased spirits or entities. Have you read works by Jane.. (and all them other folks)?

No. Never really had any interest while Mormon because they were being tricked by Satan an his minions, of course. Now if their experiences parallel mine, I'd just as well leave it alone.

My own experience of existence does not match these types of experiences and I would reframe them but it is interesting to me that you feel you have actually had an entity work through you.

Anything else you would feel comfortable sharing?

When I was a TBM, I began to realize that not everyone really understood the concept of giving a priesthood blessing or even receiving revelation.

It always disturbed me that a bishop or even a stake president would ask God to do something in a priesthood blessing (some would even tell God to do things). That is not a blessing. Making a request might be something you do in prayer before a blessing. Call it what you will, but in a blessing you channel if it's a legitimate blessing (I'm using the word legitimate loosely here because I don't have trust in the consistancy of the source anymore).

It's crazy. The first healing blessing I participated in I saw the various areas of my friend's body that were damaged an accident. I knew which areas would heal immediately and those that would remain for whatever reason. At the time, I assumed this was what every worthy priesthood holder experienced. I only had one other experience like that but the blessing ended up a lie. My friend never healed.

Healing ran on my grandfather's side of the family (completely skipping over my dad). I grew up knowing that priesthood blessings and healings from God were as natural as anything else. It was simply conveying His will. I suppose in some ways I took them for granted like the lame that Jesus healed.

In regards to Joseph Smith, if we look at the D&C, basically he is channeling Jesus Christ, In other words, Christ is supposedly speaking through the mouth of Joseph Smith. I personally don't buy it (sounds way too much like Joseph Smith...LOL), still, from your perspective, maybe the entity that used Joseph Smith is the same one that used you?

I assumed so. Every Mormon would certainly have to say yes to this question otherwise they were receiving revelation from Satan, right?

I received explicit impressions to tell people to serve missions, live the Mormon gospel in order to be healed (Gaz had one of these with his wife, as I recall), marry in the temple etc. - Mormon things that have no relative value or truth in reality.

Do you think this is possible? Might this be how you perceive the "Mormon God"?
~td~

Yes. After half a lifetime I suppose you start to understand the character of the one you, well, channel.

I wish I could defend this entity for all of the times I conveyed their unconditional love and empathy toward those I blessed. This was always the overall purpose for the blessing in the first place.

However, I was almost immediately cut off when I started to ask this God questions for the sincere purpose of gaining clarity and understanding of what I was learning about Smith's duplicitous nature. At the time I was simply digging deeper into the history to vindicate the founders of Mormonism.

[_Inconceivable]

So Jason and others -

Have any of you had similar experiences as mine?

[_JoetheClerk]

It is a closely held secret that before being elevated to Godhood he was, in his former life on his former planet, named Larry and was a plumber and part time Amway sales rep. Believe what you will but Amway reps are trustworthy... trust me on this.

[_Jason Bourne]

So Jason and others -

Have any of you had similar experiences as mine?

I already answered the question above. See my post.

[_AlmaBound]

Hi Inc..

So, if I am understanding you correctly, you believe there is some entity (the Mormon God?) who has given you power and has tricked you into believing Mormonism? This entity is (may be), the same one that tricked Joseph Smith and other Mormons but it is not the actual God of the universe?

Is that about right?

Yes, but think about it. Remove the word "tricked" and "not the actual God of the Universe" and that is the definition of Mormon modern revelation.

This is fascinating, Inc.

Would you characterize the "tricking" as being based on taking advantage of your desire to do those things you mentioned?

[_truth dancer]

Hi Inc,

Again, thanks for sharing your experience. I am fascinated actually! :-)

I agree, or used to (smile) with you, regarding priesthood blessings. I was always taught that a priesthood blessing is not about asking someone else to bless but to actually bless. I had the belief that the power of God was given to the priesthood holder to act in the name of God.

Now, I have personal experience of two times when an individual was at death's door and a priesthood holder, with total faith and true belief used his "power" to raise the dead. One was a father whose child died and the father commanded the spirit return by the power of the M. priesthood.... it didn't happen. Another situation, in my current ward where a mother was dying of cancer... her husband commanded she be healed. He had total faith and truly believed she would be well. He had complete expectation that she would live; alas she passed on.

While I have heard, from men in the LDS church many experiences like yours, I have also heard many, many similar healings and blessings from those not of the LDS faith or those who claim nothing about the priesthood or any extraordinary power.

In my own life I have had similar experiences... healings and what I consider impossible events that have nothing to do with priesthood power or religious conviction of which I have none.

I happen to believe that we have a potential beyond what we normally consider, some have abilities that are often not comprehended or understood, and there is more to connections, unity, and oneness than we are aware. We may glimpse some of the ramifications or events that result from the workings of the universe but we have yet to properly identify them. I think most of the religious claims are just attempts at explaining the unexplainable. (Except now we can explain much more than in the past).

Sort of like there were germs before they were identified, or galaxies before we could see them. :-)

The world is filled with people who believe they are channeling another source, the problem is, in my opinion, the entity seems rather tricky, messy, and totally unreliable. If it were truly possible, the world would not look as it does today.

As is often asked, what would the world look like if god was not in the picture? The same as it does today.

I don't have the belief that there are actual entities or spirits influencing human beings, but I do think we have the potential to experience all sorts of events that feel "other worldly".

So, what do you make of the non-LDS people of the world who have similar experiences?

Have you ever asked for an encounter with the "Mormon God"?

~td~

[_Inconceivable]

Yes, but think about it. Remove the word "tricked" and "not the actual God of the Universe" and that is the definition of Mormon modern revelation.

This is fascinating, Inc.

Would you characterize the "tricking" as being based on taking advantage of your desire to do those things you mentioned?

Yes, I think so. But let me explain it this way.

There was this pirate that became wealthy and wanted to retire. So he took one of his crew aside and told him the ship was his. At the next port the original captain stepped off the boat and the new captain took on a whole new crew. The new captain then took on the name of the infamous pirate - you know, to perpetuate what the business worlds calls good will - name recognition. Kinda like that.

Whoever tricked me is not who we all think he is, but he goes with it because he thinks the little white lie works. He (and his crew) has a little power and may even have our best interest in mind sometimes. But he doesn't know all things (but maybe just a little more than we do).

The other clue is that he doesn't always act the way we have been taught to emulate him. For instance, one moment he forgives two thieves and Roman guards that are taking his life and the next he is destroying men, women and their (wicked?) infant children in the americas.

[Guest]

I had the belief that the power of God was given to the priesthood holder to act in the name of God.

I think Packer in the last conference might have intimated that he himself could bring on some sort of wo. Aside from him, I know of only one reference. Nephi is told by God that he now has power over the elements to do with what he will (Helamen 10-11) without asking - But he still asks.

Now, I have personal experience of two times when an individual was at death's door and a priesthood holder, with total faith and true belief used his "power" to raise the dead. .... it didn't happen. Another situation,..alas she passed on.

Just because a person has faith doesn't mean this God wants it to happen. Unless this God conveys that directive to the one giving the blessing, that persons words and commands are of no effect. I learned early that you can't just will (or wish) something to occur by way of a blessing. I gave a number of blessings to sick and injured where I wished (in my mind) they would heal but was not instructed to do so. So I didn't.

Like I mentioned before, I gave 1 blessing in particular where I commanded that the injury be healed immediately. I was keenly aware (just as I know the sun is shining when I look up at it) that this was what was been conveyed to me. I would not have said it otherwise because I knew it was beyond my own power. But it did not occur. I was left hanging. It made either myself or God a liar. I don't call this a test of faith. A promise is a promise.

While I have heard, from men in the LDS church many experiences like yours, I have also heard many, many similar healings and blessings from those not of the LDS faith or those who claim nothing about the priesthood or any extraordinary power.

In my own life I have had similar experiences... healings and what I consider impossible events that have nothing to do with priesthood power or religious conviction of which I have none.

me too. I think healings, blessings transcend the bounds of organized religeon.

I happen to believe that we have a potential beyond what we normally consider, some have abilities that are often not comprehended or understood, and there is more to connections, unity, and oneness than we are aware. We may glimpse some of the ramifications or events that result from the workings of the universe but we have yet to properly identify them. I think most of the religious claims are just attempts at explaining the unexplainable. (Except now we can explain much more than in the past).

I could not agree with you more. It will take a little time before I'm willing to tap into this realm again. I know that I'm jaded and that my soul is disrupted. I think it makes me vulnerable to deception and wishful thinking.

The world is filled with people who believe they are channeling another source, the problem is, in my opinion, the entity seems rather tricky, messy, and totally unreliable

That's what I'm saying.

If it were truly possible, the world would not look as it does today.

As is often asked, what would the world look like if god was not in the picture? The same as it does today.

How so? If anything, I think the world would become a better place. I believe that most people are basically good. I think they would spend less time asking God to do something and probably take the responsibility and risk to do something more themselves.

I don't have the belief that there are actual entities or spirits influencing human beings, but I do think we have the potential to experience all sorts of events that feel "other worldly".

After studying NDE's I've come to a different conclusion. The dead's influence can be felt. I wonder how many Mormons have passed on that are now troubled spirits that want to perpetuate a false hope and their own denile through their living children. Perhaps some have accepted the myth and have gone on. The home I grew up in was undeniably haunted by several troubled spirits. My entire family had solid experiences with these nuts. I wonder what else they were up to.

Have you ever asked for an encounter with the "Mormon God"?

You mean to ask for an explanation? Yes, all of my life. To tell him what I think of him? Lately, yes.

[_AlmaBound]

There was this pirate that became wealthy and wanted to retire. So he took one of his crew aside and told him the ship was his. At the next port the original captain stepped off the boat and the new captain took on a whole new crew. The new captain then took on the name of the infamous pirate - you know, to perpetuate what the business worlds calls good will - name recognition. Kinda like that.

I love that movie.

But who was the original "Dread Pirate Roberts" within Mormonism, in your estimation?

Cummerbund?

[_Inconceivable]

I love that movie.

But who was the original "Dread Pirate Roberts" within Mormonism, in your estimation?

Cummerbund?

Funny.
Well, the intellectual Vezzini thought his name was Inconceivable. But everyone else didn't think he understood what the word meant.

But in reality, in spite of the legends and myths, I think it's a work in progress.

Isn't that why the doctrine constantly changes?