Our newest member, Wayneman: Shades' missionary companion??

[_marg]

I don't really think that DCP is in any position to get all bent out of shape over the fact that he has been called a "prick," regardless of whether he insists that it is synonymous with "penis" or whether it means what Harmony clearly intends it to mean: a person, usually male, who acts in an unpleasant way. I say this because Professor Peterson has been pretty free and loose in terms of tossing around extremely coarse and offensive terms like "douche bag" and "jack ass."

I'm talking from the perspective of a woman. I don't like it when men call women c,u,n.t. and so I don't like it when women stoop to a low level either. That's how it comes across. I'm sure DCP can handle the term. But I don't like it. Women get up in arms on here when men have used vulgar language against them and I would think many men would agree it shouldn't be used. I suspect Harmony is so used to using the term she doesn't even appreciate how it sounds. I did read her comment the first time and I didn't like and she brought it up again. So once again from my perspective I don't like to see a woman using that term against a man on the board. What she does privately is her business.

[_Daniel Peterson]

You're misusing the term, harmony.

Any way you try to spin it.

If "kicking against the pricks" really means "persecuting the saints" and/or "fighting against God," as you incorrectly claim, then prick = saint = God.

Address God in public prayer as "O Prick" sometime. See if it raises any eyebrows.

[_marg]

D&C 121:34-41.

Daniel was/often still is a prick in the sense that I have to kick against him, because he persecutes me... and in so persecuting me, a Saint in God's own church, he fights against God.

I'm sure Daniel doesn't like to think of himself as a prick, in the Biblical sense, so he chooses to assume I'm simply being vulgar. Not so. Don't project onto me.

Harmony the scriptures says "kick against the prick" well that's does not sound in the vulgar sense though I'm sure that comes to mind when some hear it. But it's put into a context which is taken from the Bible which was clearly not meant to be vulgar. When you use it though it sounds vulgar, because you appear angry, in the context you use it there is nothing about "kicking against" you are using the adjective "self-righteous meant to be a put down with the word "prick". It comes across as being vulgar.

[_harmony]

I'm the defiant member who refuses to bow down and worship the Brethren properly.

Do you actually imagine that you score points somewhere with such transparent straw men?

I've never suggested anything that could be reasonably construed as "worship" of the Brethren.

Then what do you call never questioning them, never pointing out their flaws and foibles, never admitting they are often misguided, foolish, downright stupid, and occasionally dishonest?... oh yeah... that's what you call sustaining.

Well, I sustain the office, no matter who sits the chair, but I reserve the right to call it like I see it.

And issuing me or members like me would taint the temple.

I've never said anything, ever, about your "tainting the temple."

What purpose is served by inventing such stuff and trying to put it in my mouth?

Oh, goodnightshirt! Of course I taint the temple! You've squirmed for years at the idea that someone like me could be sitting across the aisle from you in any session.

(and coming from the Master at putting things into my mouth that I never said, I think your comment is truly rich.)

Nevermind that I worship Christ... that's not good enough, because I don't worship the Brethren.

Even after the lapse of fifteen seconds, I still haven't suggested worshiping the Brethren.

But I also wouldn't admit Catholics and Methodists and Baptists to the temple, despite their worship of Christ.

Well, when they've been baptised into the LDS church, they still worship Christ... and after they've proven their worthiness over time, they deserve a temple recommend... even though they don't put the Brethren (or Joseph Smith) on the same level as Christ.

Another straw man.

Burned him down.

So you, in your appointed role as gatekeeper, have to keep the members like me out.

In my appointed role as gatekeeper, I have to determine who can enter the temple and who can't. I do it multiple times each week. I take it very seriously.

A little less law and a little more spirit wouldn't be amiss.

I'm really not sure, harmony, that it's possible for you and me to have a serious conversation. I don't believe we've ever had one.

Not as long as you keep calling me nominal and unbelieving, that's for sure.

[_harmony]

What she does privately is her business.

How you interpret it is your problem. I explained how I used it. And what I do publically on this board is my business.

[_harmony]

You're misusing the term, harmony.

Any way you try to spin it.

If "kicking against the pricks" really means "persecuting the saints" and/or "fighting against God," as you incorrectly claim, then prick = saint = God.

Address God in public prayer as "O Prick" sometime. See if it raises any eyebrows.

God doesn't prick me. You do. God doesn't persecute me--He loves me. You, on the other, persecute me. And you've done it for years.

*I* kick against the pricks... I'm the one persecuted by the guy who's doing the pricking... the prick is the one fighting against God.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. (notice I didn't say "self-righteous" or "arrogant". I'm trying to live up to my promise.)

[_marg]

What she does privately is her business.

How you interpret it is your problem. I explained how I used it. And what I do publically on this board is my business.

No Harmony what you do on this board is not entirely your business, just like what anyone does on this board is not entirely their own business, if that was the case there would be no moderation.

by the way, just to get some perspective here, I called someone a moron and it was stamped out, so obviously it's not entirely left up to posters to freely say whatever they wish but in addition "moron" is a legitimate term ..not vulgar, sure it's derogatory. What I am saying Harmony is that the way in which you used the term whether you appreciate it or not sounds vulgar. That reflects negatively on you more than on Daniel. I don't like it in real life when people use vulgar language and I don't like reading it either especially when the rules of this board are that people should not be using vulgar language.

[_harmony]

No Harmony what you do on this board is not entirely your business, just like what anyone does on this board is not entirely their own business, if that was the case there would be no moderation.

Try to stay with the rest of us, marg.

I never said what I say publically on this board is only my business.

by the way, just to get some perspective here, I called someone a moron and it was stamped out, so obviously it's not entirely left up to posters to freely say whatever they wish but in addition "moron" is a legitimate term ..not vulgar, sure it's derogatory. What I am saying Harmony is that the way in which you used the term whether you appreciate it or not sounds vulgar. That reflects negatively on you more than on Daniel. I don't like it in real life when people use vulgar language and I don't like reading it either especially when the rules of this board are that people should not be using vulgar language.

I've explained why my use of the word "prick" is not vulgar (unless, of course, Biblical and D&C references are now vulgar). Therefore, it is not vulgar. If you or anyone else thinks it's vulgar, then that is your problem, not mine.

[_marg]

I've explained why my use of the word "prick" is not vulgar (unless, of course, Biblical and D&C references are now vulgar). Therefore, it is not vulgar. If you or anyone else thinks it's vulgar, then that is your problem, not mine.

This is the explanation given for the Mormon scripture:

Elder Howard W. Hunter explained: “This proverbial expression of kicking against the pricks usually refers to the ox goad which was a piece of pointed iron stuck in the end of a stick used to urge the ox while drawing the plow. Sometimes a stubborn ox will kick back against the goad only to receive its sharpness more severely. It has become a proverb to signify the absurdity of rebelling against lawful authority.” (In Conference Report, Oct. 1964, p. 108.)

And this is the scripture:

38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

The use of the word "pricks" in this case Harmony is the Church authority, the people in the church who speak for God.

That is NOT the context you used the word. You were NOT referring to DCP in the sense that he is representative of Church authority in a proper sense.

You most definitely whether you admit it or not, appreciate is or not...used "prick" in the vulgar sense. You didn't use it in the positive sense of authority that the scripture presents it as. The authority "pricks" I'm using the word as a verb, that is the authority may hurt, but it is representative of what a God allegedly wants/requires.

[_Pokatator]

I also think it's silly to claim that I'm "persecuting the saints."

You are not only persecuting the saints but you also persecute Joseph Smith. He saw God you didn't. He translated you didn't. He spoke to an angel you didn't.

But now you and your whole profession is a sham of second guessing and back stabbing against Joe himself. You are putting new words into his mouth and retranslating them. You don't believe him so you change and interrupt his words. You don't sustain prophets you persecute them and their words.

Meldrum Mormons are the true Mormons. You are as phony as the pharisees in Jesus' day. Meldrumites believe Joe and follow. They sustain the prophets. But you have a degree and they have faith and belief in Joe. They are true.

If Joe were alive today he would embrace Rod and chew you up and spit you out.

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