Our newest member, Wayneman: Shades' missionary companion??

[_Ray A]

Ah. OK, I missed all that about antishock, DCP, etc. And I forgot (or didn't realize) that harmony is a mod. But all that underscores my other point, way back when, that perception is crucial, in so many ways. Maybe mods have to refrain from participating on certain threads (I think they do that, by and large) or, even more difficult, not get into anything personal with other posters at all?

I tend to agree. And this, I think, is the problem with the Mormon Discussions "upgrade". Harmony has always been a straight shooter, always saying what she thinks, and a poster I have a high opinion of. I think "mod duties" might curtail that in some ways, but as we have seen, not totally. I can't imagine Shades calling DCP a "self-righteous prick". LOL.

In other words, totally objective and detached mods would prevent any negative perceptions about favouritism or abuse of mod power. The trick is just to find such creatures!

I think we may also, one day, find a Tasmanian tiger.

I am reminded of charity when harmony keeps saying "good grief"! Is that an LDS thing I wonder? It comes across to me as meaning something like what a big fuss you are making over nothing. But you have to see that it is noteworthy to at least some non-LDS people that an LDS woman would use a vulgar term against an LDS man, especially on a board that is inhabited by "apostates" and "critics" and is described by many LDS as being a stinking swamp (or whatever). One of my points was that it's not non-LDS who are talking to each other this way. That is mildly noteworthy to me. I'm not saying that DCP doesn't make rude comments too, although I'm not aware of the history of other boards, especially in the past. He might be rude sometimes, as well as other things that some posters don't like, but he has not been vulgar, as far as I know. Unless you want to say that "ass" is vulgar whereas "prick" is not.

DCP doesn't need to be vulgar. In reality, he wins or dominates most anti-DCP conversations here by being annoyingly cool, witty, or even nonchalant. I'll be frank, his posts here are a huge drawcard for me. I've been observing this wit for 19 years now. And even if I don't believe anything about "Book of Mormon historicity", his debating skill is something to behold.

Where I'm coming from on this is that in my Christian experience, as well as in my work, language is a big deal. Even mild cussing is definitely frowned on and just not heard, whether in church or in anything we write, even on message boards. I have to say it surprises me to see (not only here) some of the words that some LDS use. I realize that this is a minority position but it's where I'm at and have been. I am trying to loosen it up a little now but still am a long way from uttering or writing the more profane terms. I realize that's my issue. Words only have the power you give them, which makes it interesting to see the differences from culture to culture.

Well you haven't changed much, and I think that's a good thing. There's probably more Christianity in you than there is in many Mormons.

[_Yoda]

I tend to agree. And this, I think, is the problem with the Mormon Discussions "upgrade". Harmony has always been a straight shooter, always saying what she thinks, and a poster I have a high opinion of. I think "mod duties" might curtail that in some ways, but as we have seen, not totally. I can't imagine Shades calling DCP a "self-righteous prick". LOL.

What is unique about the moderating situation at MDB, and, frankly, I think it's a good thing....is that everyone knows who the Mods are. We aren't hiding in some kind of faux anonymity, like on MAD. We can reply on a thread as a poster, or as Shades refers to the process, "speaking as a man". When we are in normal poster mode, or "speaking as a man", we can pretty much say what we want...or what we would normally say in the guise of any other poster. I have been known to refer to both BC and Bob Crockett as an "ass" on more than one occasion while "speaking as a man".

Since Harmony was not in Moderator mode(i.e. she was "speaking as a man"), I don't really see a problem with her using the offending phrase to DCP from a Moderator standpoint. Now, if she had called DCP that phrase as she was moderating one of his posts, that would be an issue. When we are in "Mod-mode", we are supposed to be completely emotionless and "clones of Shades".

It isn't going to be a perfect balancing act all the time, but I do like the fact that our moderating is out in the open, and if a poster disagrees with our moderating style, they can disagree openly about it.

[_Yoda]

Anyway, next time harmony starts wielding her cattle prod at Daniel Peterson, maybe we can discuss her propensity for violence. {Jenn Kamp} Just to change the tune a bit. :)

ROTFL!

I think I may have found my new signature quote!

[_marg]

To add my 2 cents, if Harmony wants to call anyone "a stick with a metal point" that's fine it's not vulgar. It entirely misses the point of the metaphor "to kick against the "prick" but Harmony wasn't using it correctly anyhow. In the context of the metaphor "kicking against DCP/prick" would be like saying it's foolish to argue or go against DCP's authority because it will only end up resulting in hurt and pain. And I doubt very much that's what she ever wanted to say.

I personally find "c***" equally offensive as "prick" when used as a put down. If you are going to allow one, then you should allow the other. As far as history goes for posters it's rather irrelevant because vulgar language is vulgar language, it reflects poorly on the one expressing it and degrades the board.

And Ray I don't think everyone is a moron just some people. Obviously in any population of people there is a range of intelligence. We aren't all equal in personal integrity, and mental reasoning ability.

And one other thing, Scratch, it wasn't DCP who complained, I did.

[_harmony]

To add my 2 cents...

And Lord knows, there never was a time when you didn't want to add you 2 cents.

[_marg]

To add my 2 cents...

And Lord knows, there never was a time when you didn't want to add you 2 cents.

Well let's see...you have 7,472 posts with an average of 8.83 per day. I have 1,922 posts with an average of 2.31 per day. It looks like you are the one adding their 2 cents in.. the most. You have a problem Harmony with admitting when you are wrong. I acknowledged at the beginning how you could understandably have been mistaken in your interpretation of the phrase, but not once from what I have read have you admitted that you could have been wrong.

[_harmony]

Well let's see...you have 7,472 posts with an average of 8.83 per day. I have 1,922 posts with an average of 2.31 per day. It looks like you are the one adding their 2 cents in.. the most.

I've been here since the beginning, marg. You're a fairly late comer. Give it time though. You'll catch up!

You have a problem Harmony with admitting when you are wrong. I acknowledged at the beginning how you could understandably have been mistaken in your interpretation of the phrase, but not once from what I have read have you admitted that you could have been wrong.

It was worth the price of admission to see you quote scripture, marg.

And I wasn't wrong. Pres Hunter agreed with me, as does the dictionary. That I didn't pick up on Daniel's issue was not well done of me... but then, all these years, I thought he was offended because of the self righteous comment and the arrogant comment; it never occurred to me that he thought I was being sexually vulgar. Once he cleared that up, I apologized and agreed to not use the term in connection with him or this board again. Repentence is mine, sayeth harmony. You might want to read through the thread again... I repeated myself a couple of times.

I may use it again, though (but not at Daniel)... just to see you quote scripture (when I'm needing a laugh break). Dang, that was funny!

[_marg]

Well let's see...you have 7,472 posts with an average of 8.83 per day. I have 1,922 posts with an average of 2.31 per day. It looks like you are the one adding their 2 cents in.. the most.

I've been here since the beginning, marg. You're a fairly late comer. Give it time though. You'll catch up!

Wrong again Harmony, actually I've probably been involved with Shade's board longer than you. Although I joined this board about a week or so after you, I was posting on Shades initial board and I don't remember you there. But even if I joined a year after you, when one talks averages you beat me by posting on average at least 6 more posts per day than I do or 3.8 times as many posts per day to what I post.

And if I tried to catch up to you by the end of the year, then I'd have to post about 26 posts per day every day. Or if you quit posting from this day forward it would take me about 2,403 days at the rate I post to equal the total number of posts you currently have or about 6.6 years. Of course if I picked up my pace to your rate it would take about 628 days to catch up to you as long as you stopped posting or about 1.7 years to reach the total number of posts you currently have.

You have a problem Harmony with admitting when you are wrong.

And I wasn't wrong.

Like I said you have a problem admitting when you are wrong.

Once he cleared that up, I apologized and agreed to not use the term in connection with him or this board again.

Not before you again after having apologized got mad at him, in this thread and threatened to continue using it.

I may use it again, though (but not at Daniel)..

I'm sure you might.

just to see you quote scripture (when I'm needing a laugh break). Dang, that was funny!

That's what this issue is about ...interpretation of scripture. So basically what has been happening is you've been misunderstanding a particular phrase within both the Bible and Book of Mormon. Though frankly I doubt you truly misunderstood it, I think it more likely that you enjoyed using vulgar language under the guise you didn't know. The thing is you are the one who complained about vulgar language and wanted to clean up the board.

[_ludwigm]

...
A big, pulsating, hairy, veiny, dick.
...

At long last, one sentence which has an one-to-one translation to hungarian.
We call these mirror translation.

[_harmony]

I've been here since the beginning, marg. You're a fairly late comer. Give it time though. You'll catch up!

Wrong again Harmony, actually I've probably been involved with Shade's board longer than you. Although I joined this board about a week or so after you, I was posting on Shades initial board and I don't remember you there.

And because you don't remember, it just wasn't so? Right, marg. You really need to work on those delusions of grandeur. The rest of us will like you (or not) even if you aren't queen of the world.

It seems like I was the 3rd person on Shades' original board. I was late, because I didn't get his email until I'd finished work for the day. Shades created the board for people like me... I'd just gotten banned from FAIR/MAD, after royally pissing Juliann off. And since he and I have been friends for a long long time, he emailed me as soon as it was up.

Obviously I have more to talk about than you, since I'm a member of the LDS church and you don't even have a basic understanding of what that means, let alone any nuances of the gospel or the Book of Mormon.

The rest of your post is just rehashing that which has already been discussed ad nauseum, so I'll pass.