Ethics Scenario

[_Mister Scratch]

And then, we are treated with a story about an excommunicated bishop. Gee, should GoodK expose this poor fellow and ruin his life? Never mind that this poor correspondent was excoriated by GoodK for sending an email to GoodK's father (turned out, bad email address and I didn't follow up) alerting him to calumny being spread on this board by GoodK about his father, mother and sister.

Bob---

I hope you are mixing up your stories here. Otherwise, it seems you're suggesting that Professor Peterson is the "excommunicated bishop," and for some reason, I don't think that's accurate.

[_GoodK]

By the way, I just posted another testimonial I received today from a former victim of the Mormon Gulag on my website. You can read other patently absurd lies from criminals like myself here

This was from a boy named T.J:

I was a boy at the Utah Boys ranch for a total of 9 months almost 10. I arrived there early june 2005, and left on March 31, 2006.

From the day I got there I was placed on work crew like every other boy. I remember having to move rocks and boulders from their "soccer field" to a different point. And from there it was point A to B across the 70 acres of land, a few hours later after doing that, we had to move them to a "garden" for a science project.

I remember while being on work crew one of the kids had their shoes, socks, and pants taken. Only to be given sandels, and a blanket wraped around their waist with rope. And I was talking to this boy for a while about us trying to leave the place. So he ran barefoot, and no pants through fields and before someone noticed he was missing he was seen at the local highschool down the street. running through the school as a shortcut to get away. Where he was tackled by staff from the UBR. and beat. When I see him again I see the bruises on him, and I ask what happened. Where staff looked at us and told him to shut up before he regrets it, and me to shut mine before I looked the same..

I remember seeing kids beat for no damn reason. One of which that I remember was in my home at the time. The weekend staff beat him "restrained" him making him bleed, cry out in help. and nobody does anything.. while another staff member stands by the laundry room door making sure nobody goes in.. I hear a belt hit him and him screaming " I didn't do crap!" over and over while crying.. I go over to the door and the other staff member tells me to leave and go sit down, mind my own business. I told him no, and to get off the kid. he looks at me like im stupid and warns me again. Then I continue to try to get into the room. where I am grabbed thrown on the ground where my arm is twisted behind my back, and this grown mans full body weight is thrown againts me. I feel and hear a pop in my wrist, and to this day my wrist is still broken, never healed right since the other staff didn't believe me when I told them it was broken, and the story of what happened..

I remember one weekend going with about 18 other boys to one of the chairmans homes they said we where privledged to go and help him.. They had us clean this mans backyard for 4 hours with no water, food, or a break. And when he wanted to give us water, or order some food for us. The staff that took us there said "No they will be fine, they will eat at dinner" and take into account we left the mans house..

We were never able to talk to each other without us being accused of escaping, trying to hurt one of the staff et. Religion was their way or work screw you had your choice...

To me it was a hell hole, and I would have rather have gone to jail. I lost frinds, and people I considered family. They tried to write me to tell me the lady I considered my mother died. They kept it all from me, and the other boys.. I never understood..

Now they are trying to sue my parents for tuition "owed" but what do they owe? The ranch is not what they say they are.. Its an eveil place I wouldn't want the people I dislike the most to go there..

It does need to be shut down.. Kids need to go home to their families and be done with the place...

The day I got out was the day I got home...3/31/2006... The day I was free from hell

[_rcrocket]

Let's further revist this "calumny" GoodK visited upon his poor sister, as she lay dying in a Utah hospital. (Turns out, she recovered, due in part to a priesthood blessing it seems.) The family, grieving at the hospital bedside, is mocked and belittled by our poor little twit GoodK, who scurries to this pond to deposit his filth.

A couple of us know the family well. We're offended. Why is GoodK laundering his family's grief in this dirty pond? And to humiliate his suffering sister, we ask? And when we protest -- well, when I do, it is a complaint to the State Bar about me~~!!!

Why is all this done? To test his rhetorical skills of course! On us! How precious.

I submit the MG story and the excommunicated bishop story is offered to stroke his ego. He can't publish anywhere with a high school education. Why not here? To the believers who sit on the scum of this pond.

[Rhetoric over.]

Really now, why believe this joker? Why do you? Without question? Come on.

[_Jersey Girl]

Something very wrong with this story. All you do is rely upon phone messages and emails?

When you make a complaint that a child is being or has been abused, you file a formal complaint with Child Protective Services and/or with the police. That means filling out a form. That means asking for the form. In lieu of that terrible burden, one writes a letter to CPA and the police, offering evidence and requesting an audience.

A government employee is not likely to do anything with phone mail messages or emails.

No, crock, it doesn't mean filling out a form or writing a letter to anyone.

It means making a phone call or perhaps sending an email as Eric claims he has. Both the phone call and/or the email can be totally anonymous if one chooses to remain anonymous.

I've reported suspected child abuse/neglect numerous times, each time via phone. Unless the state of Utah requires something else, no forms nor in-person visits to DSS/CPS are required. The phone call generates the filling out of forms by the DSS/CPS worker who handles it from there.

And yes, a government employee will definitely follow up on reports that are phoned in. That is to say, they will definitely "show up" depending on the content of the report that is made.

[_rcrocket]

Something very wrong with this story. All you do is rely upon phone messages and emails?

When you make a complaint that a child is being or has been abused, you file a formal complaint with Child Protective Services and/or with the police. That means filling out a form. That means asking for the form. In lieu of that terrible burden, one writes a letter to CPA and the police, offering evidence and requesting an audience.

A government employee is not likely to do anything with phone mail messages or emails.

No, crock, it doesn't mean filling out a form or writing a letter to anyone.

It means making a phone call or perhaps sending an email as Eric claims he has. Both the phone call and/or the email can be totally anonymous if one chooses to remain anonymous.

I've reported suspected child abuse/neglect numerous times, each time via phone. Unless the state of Utah requires something else, no forms nor in-person visits to DSS/CPS are required. The phone call generates the filling out of forms by the DSS/CPS worker who handles it from there.

And yes, a government employee will definitely follow up on reports that are phoned in. That is to say, they will definitely "show up" depending on the content of the report that is made.

I deal with child abuse cases in my profession frequently. It is possibly that they will react to an anonymous complaint (as in the FLDS case, but look where that got them and look how false that was), but not likely. In California, one must make a police report, and the police will refuse to take a report over the phone. I know, I've tried. In California, there is no "form" but you have to make the call and be interviewed in person.

[_Jersey Girl]

Crock,

First you say that a form needs to be filled out and then you say there is no form.

California?

Let's look at what the state of Utah requires:

http://www.hsdcfs.utah.gov/

Please help us STOP child abuse and neglect. If you suspect abuse or neglect is occurring, call the Child Abuse/Neglect Hotline at (800) 678-9399. Call local law enforcement immediately if there is an emergency.

[_rcrocket]

Did he make a complaint to the hotline?

My state usually requires a form. A police report.

[_GoodK]

He can't publish anywhere with a high school education. Why not here?

Awe. How precious. You're jealous. I'm sorry I'm already a more established writer than you are. And I'm sorry the FARMS brethren - the only "pond" available to you - don't care for you much. I'm sure it's nothing personal.

Let's further revist this "calumny" GoodK visited upon his poor sister, as she lay dying in a Utah hospital.

No, let's not. Unless you want me to send in that complaint to the State Bar, I still have it in my desk.

Instead, let's talk about what you did during all this. You claim to know my family, you claim to have been offended and concerned. What did you do to affect the situation? Did you drive to Utah to be with her, like I did? Did you visit her in the hospital, like I did? No, of course not. You and Peterson both did absolutely nothing, except exploit a "friend" and silence a "critic."

DCP was a bishop, "good friend of over twenty years", and lived a mere five miles from the hospital. He couldn't be bothered to waddle into a car and lend his support in person though, he does his work on MormonDiscussions.com.

And so do you. Wow.

What a jealous, little-pecker-having nobody you are. No wonder your Friday nights are spent with us, and not the lovely Sister Crockett.

Do you find her complaining of headaches, frequently?

And by the way, since clearly you are begging me to go here (as if I wouldn't), you're daughter [name deleted] is exquisite. When I think of her beautiful body, I am almost inclined to believe in God. Yes, folks, she is that hot.

[_rcrocket]

And you can be played like a violin.



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[_GoodK]

And you can be played like a violin.

Yup. You sure showed me.

I sent you a PM with my phone number, pass it along to [name deleted] for me.