Ethics Scenario

[_karl61]

I think if you'll check my post I indicated the department can initiate an investigation on its own without a preceding police report. That would only come in a non-emergency situation. If the department's intake call determines that there is child abuse involved, they will always call the police. They are required by law to do so; it is a misdemeanor when the department has a "reasonable suspicion" not to call the police within I think 36 hours. I know; I've been through the process many times.

When a mandated reporter makes a report of child abuse, it goes to the police.

I can tell you aren't writing a paper.

The long and the sort of this exchange is that it is evident Mr. Articulate never made a report. Ever.

you have a one day old baby who is a positive tox for heroin at UCLA. The referral is made by the UCLA social worker. Mother and baby are ready for discharge. How is the police involved in this?

[_karl61]

actually, if you knew anything about how the referral process is made you would understand that but since you don't it doesn't make sense to you.

Are you a public servant with a college degree?

I've talked so much about my negative past and current issues I don't need to talk about what happened in the 90's. I have a BA from a cal state and now a paralegal certificate which I plan to start using soon. As soon as they get me off my meds.

[_rcrocket]

you have a one day old baby who is a positive tox for heroin at UCLA. The referral is made by the UCLA social worker. Mother and baby are ready for discharge. How is the police involved in this?

What happens in a hospital with all the nurses and doctors as mandated reporters is a far cry from what happens when a parent or child in the public arena complains of child abuse. In the latter case, they call DPSS. The intake answerer decides if there is an immediate crime. If so, a transfer is made to the police with the caller on the line. If not, DPSS takes the report. It may or may not investigate, and if it does, it could be days, weeks or months before it arrives. If it arrives to investigate and finds a crime underway, DPSS has the power to immediately seize the child but usually needs the cops for backup. A police report is then filed by DPSS. That is how it works in the real world.

I certainly wish you the best in getting back on your feet.

[Guest]

you have a one day old baby who is a positive tox for heroin at UCLA. The referral is made by the UCLA social worker. Mother and baby are ready for discharge. How is the police involved in this?

What happens in a hospital with all the nurses and doctors as mandated reporters is a far cry from what happens when a parent or child in the public arena complains of child abuse. In the latter case, they call DPSS. The intake answerer decides if there is an immediate crime. If so, a transfer is made to the police with the caller on the line. If not, DPSS takes the report. It may or may not investigate, and if it does, it could be days, weeks or months before it arrives. If it arrives to investigate and finds a crime underway, DPSS has the power to immediately seize the child but usually needs the cops for backup. A police report is then filed by DPSS. That is how it works in the real world

wrong: the hotline worker doesn't know anything except what is being reported: the referral is either made an immediate or a 5 day referral. Neighbors burn neighbors all the time. They all sound bad. Also the hotline says if this is a life threatening emergency call 911. So if it isn't there still may be a response with five days if they take it or an immediate if they think they need to go right away. It's the field worker who does all the work and decides if the allegations are founded, inconclusive or unfounded.

you sound like GoodK now: not getting into specifics but when you talk in general about the system it doesn't sound like you are very familar with the process.

[_The Nehor]

Only if you are milking it for money and not actually pursuing serious legal action. More so if you're planning a book and/or videos to sensationalize it.

Yeah. Right. Good one.

I'm sure you'll let us know what you find out.

Find out? Do you really think I have the time or disposition to investigate this?

If what you've told us is true and not exagerrated then I want the place reformed and cleaned up or shut down. If it's not then whatever. I don't have a real stake in this and I'm not convinced by either side. I do think it's kinda silly how people here rally around you and take everything you say as the truth. You might be milking the situation for financial gain or you might be on a vengeance kick or you might have justified anger/indignation or any combination of those.

I hardly think I'm going to turn up the crucial evidence to support it one way or the other and I'm not Scratch; I don't have the ability to concoct crazy fantasies with no evidence and parade them in front of people as if I've just made some amazing discovery.

[_Gadianton]

Well, I'll tell you what Nehor, it's only your apologetic mindset that sees a problem here. I think GoodK is:

A) Telling the truth about the place
B) Desires to bring it down because he's angry with it
C) "Milking" the "situation" for money.

I don't see a problem.

[_Dr. Shades]

The family, grieving at the hospital bedside, is mocked and belittled by our poor little twit GoodK, . . .

No; his stepfather's weightier faith in the priesthood instead of competent medical skill is what was being belittled. Not his sister. Not his family. His stepfather's MINDSET only.

Why is this basic concept so difficult to grasp? It's as if you've cooked up an aggravating scenario in your own mind and are saying whatever you have to say in order to make it appear plausible.

Could it be related to your profession?

[_Jersey Girl]

No, it doesn't, crock. Stop bs-ing your way through these exchanges. It reflects poorly on you.

Umm. Yes it does. I have seen them with my own eyes and I have followed police investigations. I represent private schools where these complaints are made against teachers.

No, crock, it doesn't require a police report. It requires a call to
CPS, a call to the national hot line OR a call to law enforcement. I asked you once nicely to stop bs-ing your way through these exchanges and for some reason known only to yourself, you cannot stop yourself. What you have seen with your own eyes with regards to following police investigations IS NOT proof that reports CAN NOT be made via phone call to CPS.

Wanna know how I know? Because I have a computer, crock. Remember when I posted a link earlier to the state of Utah instructions for reporting child abuse and neglect? I did that with a computer. I'm actually using a computer to communicate with you right now. The same computer that after I searched up the instructions for reporting child abuse and neglect in the state of Utah, I then searched for the instructions for reporting child abuse and neglect in the state of...wait for it...California.

Why isn't it important to your ridiculing exchange with me to know whether Mr. Articulate made a complaint to the hotline?

Show me anywhere on this thread or anywhere on this board where I have expressed that it isn't important to know whether or not "Mr. Articulate" made a compaint to the hotline.

Pony it up, counselor.

You raised the point. Amazing that you accept his absurd story with nothing but his own blog say-so and the contributions of anonymous informants.

Raised what point? I simply objected to your statement that reporting child abuse and neglect in California requires a police report.

Show me anywhere on this thread or anywhere on this board, where I have expressed that I accept anything GoodK has stated with regards to the allegations he's made against Westridge.

Again, pony it up, counselor.

Or stop trying to put words in my keyboard that I haven't typed.

You choose.

[_Jersey Girl]

Now, crock,

If you can see your way clear to suspend the equivocating for oh, a full minute or less, would you be so kind as to tell us what the reporting procedures are for suspected cases of child abuse and/or neglect in the state of Utah?

You originally attempted to ridicule GoodK for using phone calls as a reporting mechanism and then presumed to instruct that said reporting must be done by filling out forms for law enforcement.

Hint: I posted the reporting procedures for the state of Utah on this thread.

What are they?

[_Dr. Shades]

Really now, why believe this joker? Why do you? Without question? Come on.

Coming from a man who believes a guy who claims that he was visited by an angel with a drawn sword who ordered him to have sex with teenagers and married women, the statement "why believe this joker?" seems a bit, ah, out of place.