Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

[_Kishkumen]

Spare me the pain.

You might spare us all the pain, but you like to read your own crap too damn much.

[_Yoda]

B freakin' S. It was a mean spirited, snarky, below the belt swipe at the Church and his stepfather (who he apparantly feels represents it, and is hence an equally juicy target) when they were vulnerable.

Are we reading the same post?

Let's analyze this. My comments are in blue.

This is somewhat off-topic, I just wanted people to see it before it gets moved...

My step-sister who goes to school in Utah came down with a bad infection and was very seriously ill, to the point where my mother and step-father told me she may not make it. After a week in the hospital, she is doing better, but I went to my email inbox to find that I was CC'd on the following email from my step-father - needless to say he's one of the F.A.R.M.S cronies and what I consider to be a Mormon Blowhard:
Here, Eric states that his step-father is a "FARMS cronie and what he considers to be a Mormon Blowhard". OK.....Eric obviously has issues with his step-father. So what? A lot of kids have issues with parents and step parents. He doesn't disparage is sister, or make light of his sister's illness at all. As a matter of fact, he prefaces all of his comments by speaking about the seriousness of her condition.

Although I do have concerns about Eric posting the email in its entirety, he did carefully blot out all in real life references. I do, however, think it would have been smarter of him to paraphrase the email, and have indicated as much elsewhere. The issue I am raising here, however, is family humiliation. All he did was post the email in its entirety, minus in real life references. He didn't change the meaning or wording of anything his step-father wrote. If he had, I'm sure we would have heard as much from DCP or Bob, since they both received copies. Since I'm sure that Eric's step-father had no shame in what he wrote, and the in real life references were in place, I don't see any indication of humiliation here. Let's move on.
Hello Family, Friends, Colleagues, Students, and Saints:

There are several reasons we have seen what was a very ominous situation become a very hopeful situation. First and foremost, if her cousin, *****, had not followed her premonition to check on **** last Monday, and then get her to the hospital, we might be having a very different (and tragic) report to give you.

We are certain that the prayers and positive thoughts offered by so many people played a significant and profound part in ****'s healing. Also, the many expressions of concern, hope, and love offered by many people that contacted us via email, telephone, and text messaging, enabled ***** to know that you are all rooting for her, and this gave her (and us) strength.

Also, in our LDS faith community, we give actual priesthood blessings by the laying on of hands as discussed in the New Testament and elsewhere, and ***** was the recipient of several of these. I was present for some of them and was struck by the amazing power and faith of one David ****, a Melchizedek Priesthood holder and a man without guile, who boldly rebuked the very disease that brought harm to our daughter.

And something more: members of our congregation back in California, along with others, fasted on behalf of her, and we believe this had a profound effect in opening the heavens and receiving a miracle.....

I want to ask him why God decided to give this poor girl such a horrible disease, or why the priesthood blessings didn't cure her outright, and so on...

In this closing paragraph, Eric is initiating a discussion. He is blaming God for giving his sister the disease. Is this blame misguided? For a staunch LDS believer, yes, it is. But Eric has already indicated that he does NOT believe in the doctrine of the LDS Church. Also, I have heard LDS Church MEMBERS blame God for terrible things that have happened to themselves or family in moments of weakness. Certainly, a sister being gravely ill would qualify as a moment of weakness, would it not?

Also, Loran, let's get one more thing straight. I am not, and have not, blanketly defended Eric on every issue.

I DO NOT think that Eric should pursue a lawsuit against Dan. That's not what this thread is about.

This thread is an attempt to take a step back and look at Eric's original post with fresh eyes.

I am also genuinely trying to understand how Eric's post can be considered a humiliation. You and Bob have both made these claims. Dan, by the way, has not.

[_Kishkumen]

I am not, and have not, blanketly defended Eric on every issue.

I DO NOT think that Eric should pursue a lawsuit against Dan. That's not what this thread is about.

This thread is an attempt to take a step back and look at Eric's original post with fresh eyes.

I am also genuinely trying to understand how Eric's post can be considered a humiliation. You and Bob have both made these claims. Dan, by the way, has not.

Drippy is not interested in what you are doing. He is only interested in how he can respond to you in an insulting way.

[_Yoda]

I am not, and have not, blanketly defended Eric on every issue.

I DO NOT think that Eric should pursue a lawsuit against Dan. That's not what this thread is about.

This thread is an attempt to take a step back and look at Eric's original post with fresh eyes.

I am also genuinely trying to understand how Eric's post can be considered a humiliation. You and Bob have both made these claims. Dan, by the way, has not.

Drippy is not interested in what you are doing. He is only interested in how he can respond to you in an insulting way.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid you may be right. It's a shame, really, since I have given him no cause to do so.

[_Droopy]

Drippy is not interested in what you are doing. He is only interested in how he can respond to you in an insulting way.

Quoth the resident paragon of ethical rectitude and literary restraint.

Holy chutzpah Batman!

[_Kishkumen]

Quoth the resident paragon of ethical rectitude and literary restraint.

Holy chutzpah Batman!

Do you ever tire of typing non-responsive garbage? I didn't think so.

[_Droopy]

Unfortunately, I'm afraid you may be right. It's a shame, really, since I have given him no cause to do so.

Liz, you are defending indefensible behavior and undergoing a fit of torturous intellectual gymnastics in an effort to convince yourself that what is quite obviously before you eyes is, in point of fact, not.

This is quite distressing to those of us who can see this for what it obviously is. GoodK's immediate threats to Bob and now, his frivolous lawsuit directed against Daniel Peterson are strong evidence that nothing in his original OP or the motivations behind it were in any way sincere or innocuous.

The bottom line is that you, and anyone else here who continues to circle the wagons around this person is going to share in the opprobrium attached to him. And mark my words, his behavior will continue to degenerate over time, so long as he continues to harbor the feelings and attitudes that led him out of the Church and into the feverish bigotry that now consumes him.

[_Kishkumen]

This is quite distressing to those of us who can see this for what it obviously is.

You can't even properly read her post. What makes you think you see anything else clearly? I have yet to see you actually respond in a way that suggests you have correctly interpreted the words of your interlocutor. You are a moron.

[_Droopy]

You can't even properly read her post. What makes you think you see anything else clearly? I have yet to see you actually respond in a way that suggests you have correctly interpreted the words of your interlocutor. You are a moron.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[_Yoda]

Unfortunately, I'm afraid you may be right. It's a shame, really, since I have given him no cause to do so.

Liz, you are defending indefensible behavior and undergoing a fit of torturous intellectual gymnastics in an effort to convince yourself that what is quite obviously before you eyes is, in point of fact, not.

This is quite distressing to those of us who can see this for what it obviously is. GoodK's immediate threats to Bob and now, his frivolous lawsuit directed against Daniel Peterson are strong evidence that nothing in his original OP or the motivations behind it were in any way sincere or innocuous.

The bottom line is that you, and anyone else here who continues to circle the wagons around this person is going to share in the opprobrium attached to him. And mark my words, his behavior will continue to degenerate over time, so long as he continues to harbor the feelings and attitudes that led him out of the Church and into the feverish bigotry that now consumes him.

It's obvious that you are not reading my comments. If you had, you would know that I have not "circled the wagons" around Eric. I have stated from the get-go that I disagree with his lawsuit against Dan. I have also publicly and privately rebuked Eric for his going overboard in revealing personal information about Bob.

I do, however, genuinely like Eric...just as I genuinely like Dr. Peterson. You can like someone without agreeing with everything they say.

Since you refuse to engage in any type of intelligent discussion, it probably is wise that you "move along" as far as this thread is concerned. We seem to simply be talking past each other.