On Licked Cupcakes *PG-13

[_Yoda]

Does anyone know the Latin translation for "On Licked Cupcakes"?

There is no direct translation for lick, but there is a translation for suckle.

The Latin translation for "suckle cupcake" is combibo vas laganum.

Sounds like oral sex to me.

[_Yoda]

Now that Mok and I have managed to derail, I really would like some thoughts on the serious questions I brought up:

In all seriousness, I think this topic is a good one to bring up again. The cupcake object lesson that KA brought up, and that many of us, including myself, experienced in Mutual, is the perfect example of the madonna-whore complex that the Church tried to place on women.

I think it goes right along with the justification for polygamy being an eternal law. "Women are more righteous so there will be more women in the CK."

But it is the woman who is responsible for leading the man astray. The woman is the ultimate "damaged goods", which directly conflicts with the concept of repentance.

[_JohnStuartMill]

Damn, KA. Way to give 'em hell!

[_Yoda]

Since this topic has been regenerated, I would like to involve a few folks who weren't on the board when this discussion began the first time. Seven and a few others did not participate at that time.

One thing I would like to ask...particularly those who are still active in the LDS Church.....What changes do you see that have happened since this cupcake lesson was originally used?

Something I have noticed is that lessons like this have been a rarity for the last 5 years. Neither of my girls have experienced any lessons like this in Mutual, which I think is a VERY GOOD THING.

However, I will definitely confirm that Kimberly is NOT lying about experiencing this lesson in mutual. Some folks like BC and Droopy claimed that KA was not telling the truth about her experience, simply because THEY were not familiar with this object lesson. I am 45 years old, grew up in California, and have been a Church member my whole life. This object lesson was VERY popular and taught on multiple occasions while I was mutual aged. Is this object lesson "Church manual approved doctrine"? Probably not. But that does NOT change the fact that it was taught in a fairly widespread manner.

[_JohnStuartMill]

I detected a double-standard when I was a member, too. Once, I kissed a girl in my single's ward in a way that wasn't really kosher, and word got around. People treated the girl coldly for a few weeks after that, while I saw no difference in their behavior toward me.

I don't think this is a uniquely Mormon phenomenon. Either way, it's pretty crappy.

[_Seven]

"liz3564"]Since this topic has been regenerated, I would like to involve a few folks who weren't on the board when this discussion began the first time. Seven and a few others did not participate at that time.

Hi Liz,
I posted a few times in this thread back when the discussion began, but I think those should be buried. I would disagree with one of my own posts now.

I believe any lesson on chastity should not use metaphors that imply a woman is tainted or damaged goods if she is not a virgin or has sexual experiences before marriage. Even more troubling is that they did not give the same lesson to the Young Men as well. As usual it is women who are looked upon as whores while men get a free pass. This is a very damaging lesson to our children.

I would like my children taught to value the principle of chastity for their own physical and emotional well being. I still believe it is best to save sexual intimacy for the person you commit the rest of your life with, (marriage or civil union) but my reasons are not sin related.

Under no circumstances will I let a church leader discuss their sexual experiences in an interview. Confession of these sins are between them and God. If it was an anonymous situation and they needed to discuss the mistake with an adult, then I don't have a problem with it. (like a Catholic confession)

Hopefully they will be comfortable enough to come to their parents when they have questions or feel harmed by a sexual experience. There is so much focus in the church on this one sin that it makes the youth all the more tempted and obsessed with the topic. It also teaches the youth to judge others as unworthy for temple marriage by their virginity status. I've seen many a Mormon talk about how they rejected potential spouses while dating because they were not "pure."

[_Bond James Bond]

The Latin translation for "suckle cupcake" is combibo vas laganum.

Licked cupcake=lambietur massam

Sounds like oral sex to me.

There actually is a distinct noun for a person being given oral sex in Latin...those naughty Romans.