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_RobertPitsor
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Re: Please come to the source, I will answer all your questions.

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I am sorry I cannot discuss that here as it may be a point of referance if I choose litigation.
If I do, you can read about it then.

rcrocket wrote:
RobertPitsor wrote: But whatever happened to stop the Seattle lawyers had nothing to do with me and can be proven as false as I have the evidence.


I've only been speculating as to the reason. I don't know. What was the real reason?

Why did you dismiss the case, knowing the statute of limitations would expire?

What unscrupulous things did the Church's lawyers do?

Harmony,
To my knowledge I had no LDS lawyers on my side. Though I never asked the Seattle team if they were LDS. If they were, they were not forthcoming with that information.


I didn't mean to imply he had LDS lawyers. I was recruited by the firm and met LDS partners.
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Robert,

Just incase you do decide to leave, I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your posting here, communicating with us and helping us to understand the things that happened to you. I'm not sure we'll ever understand the legalities since, understandably, you can't talk about certain things, but it took alot of courage to come here and help us better understand the circumstances behind the news articles.

I wish for you peace, joy and a sense of belonging.

Thank you,
Jersey Girl
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Robert: As I seem to be ruffling feathers, maybe I should take my leave? Any further questions?


You are certainly not ruffling my feathers one bit. I find your case interesting and rather compelling as you state it.

Jersey Girl: With regards to the "unscrupulous" remark:
He stated that any lawsuit brought against the church is held up as long as possible in appeals.


I don't think it unscrupulous for lawyers to file appeals. The justice system lets losing parties appeal. But here, I wonder what that means because he just dismissed his case before trial. Nobody would want to appeal. The Church wouldn't appeal because it had one. You couldn't because you dismissed.

Jersey Girl: What does that mean? Dismissed without prejudice?


If you dismiss with prejudice, it means that you admit that you have no case. Such dismissals are rare and almost always come with a negotiated settlement. So most people dismiss without prejudice. It is kind of like saying, "I am not going to pursue my case further, but don't hold it against me if I try again."

But here, look above in the posts.
Crockett: (3) the facts as they came out in discovery showed that the case wasn't worth pursuing.
Robert: #3 is almost correct.
Certainly enigmatic, but the best interpretation of his response is that my speculation is "almost" correct. It looks like he's saying he has no case against the Church.

That prompted me task why he dismissed his case. Again, reading the press reports, it seems like an interesting case and the missing element seems to the reason why he dismissed his case.

Robert: I am sorry I cannot discuss that here as it may be a point of referance if I choose litigation. If I do, you can read about it then.


I wouldn't have been so impertinent to ask this question had not you entitled this thread: "Please come to the source, and I will answer all your questions."

So, also, is the question I have as to why your lawyers quit on you.

Robert: Maybe the messenger should check his dates before stating things out of turn. Possible I felt personally attacked with the statement of taking it to the papers, and the disregard to write about me in the 3rd person.


I think I've made it clear that I'm speculating in large part as to the reasons you were doing what you did, and I offered alternative reasons. The dates are largely meaningless to me, but it appears to me that you dismissed your case and then somebody championed your case in the press. Whether one or the other came first, it doesn't really matter to me.

Robert: The staute has a loop hole and can be argued. I still have time on this count (one year left). There are also others that can be pursued.


Again, I don't know anything about Washington law. Most states have a three or four year statute of limitations for childhood sexual abuse, which begins to run at 18. Given the apparent date of your injuries, and the fact that you dismissed your case, it appears that under a four year rule you'd be out of luck the day you dismissed your case. That was why I wanted to know what made you give up. I thought I had come to the source to hear all answers.
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What I want to know is... what did the church's lawyers promise?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Your right, yet I cannot tell you this piece yet. I am sorry.
2nd. I repeat again, I did not drop the case, the seattle lawyers did, the minnesota lawyers if they could have practiced in Washington would have continued without them. In the 2 days I had I begged the lawyers and judge to hear the case, I was told a motion was filed to dismiss without prejudice and find another lawyer/firm. I tried and tried, in greif I gave up.

rcrocket wrote:
Robert: As I seem to be ruffling feathers, maybe I should take my leave? Any further questions?


You are certainly not ruffling my feathers one bit. I find your case interesting and rather compelling as you state it.

Jersey Girl: With regards to the "unscrupulous" remark:
He stated that any lawsuit brought against the church is held up as long as possible in appeals.


I don't think it unscrupulous for lawyers to file appeals. The justice system lets losing parties appeal. But here, I wonder what that means because he just dismissed his case before trial. Nobody would want to appeal. The Church wouldn't appeal because it had one. You couldn't because you dismissed.

Jersey Girl: What does that mean? Dismissed without prejudice?


If you dismiss with prejudice, it means that you admit that you have no case. Such dismissals are rare and almost always come with a negotiated settlement. So most people dismiss without prejudice. It is kind of like saying, "I am not going to pursue my case further, but don't hold it against me if I try again."

But here, look above in the posts.
Crockett: (3) the facts as they came out in discovery showed that the case wasn't worth pursuing.
Robert: #3 is almost correct.
Certainly enigmatic, but the best interpretation of his response is that my speculation is "almost" correct. It looks like he's saying he has no case against the Church.

That prompted me task why he dismissed his case. Again, reading the press reports, it seems like an interesting case and the missing element seems to the reason why he dismissed his case.

Robert: I am sorry I cannot discuss that here as it may be a point of referance if I choose litigation. If I do, you can read about it then.


I wouldn't have been so impertinent to ask this question had not you entitled this thread: "Please come to the source, and I will answer all your questions."

So, also, is the question I have as to why your lawyers quit on you.

Robert: Maybe the messenger should check his dates before stating things out of turn. Possible I felt personally attacked with the statement of taking it to the papers, and the disregard to write about me in the 3rd person.


I think I've made it clear that I'm speculating in large part as to the reasons you were doing what you did, and I offered alternative reasons. The dates are largely meaningless to me, but it appears to me that you dismissed your case and then somebody championed your case in the press. Whether one or the other came first, it doesn't really matter to me.

Robert: The staute has a loop hole and can be argued. I still have time on this count (one year left). There are also others that can be pursued.


Again, I don't know anything about Washington law. Most states have a three or four year statute of limitations for childhood sexual abuse, which begins to run at 18. Given the apparent date of your injuries, and the fact that you dismissed your case, it appears that under a four year rule you'd be out of luck the day you dismissed your case. That was why I wanted to know what made you give up. I thought I had come to the source to hear all answers.
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If your question is to me Harmony, nothing.



harmony wrote:What I want to know is... what did the church's lawyers promise?
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crock,

With regards to the statute of limitations. Remember, that Robert stated this:

RobertPitsor wrote:The staute has a loop hole and can be argued. I still have time on this count (one year left). There are also others that can be pursued.


I'm not sure if this is one of the issues that Robert is reluctant to discuss here, but could the "loop hole" have something to do with his Disassociative Indentity Disorder and recovered memory?

Do you see where that is a possible factor in changing the statute of limitations? It's possible that the instances of abuse weren't known to Robert, but known only to one or more of his alters. I don't know when Robert became aware of his disorder or aware of his alters, but it's possible, don't you think, that this is the reason he still has time left to pursue this legally.

I did some reading on the statute of limitations in Washington and I think this is what he might be talking about.
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Robert,

I don't really know how to ask this and don't know if you can answer but...you can just say "I'll pass on those questions" if it's wrong for me to ask you.

When the instances of abuse were taking place, were you (Robert) aware of it?

Did you (Robert) know that you had been hurt but couldn't remember what had happened?

I'll leave it at that. These questions could be too personal to ask.
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Going back to the beginning and your first post, Robert.

RobertPitsor wrote:I wanted money for therapy as promised by the Church. They still have note fullfilled that obligation as promised. Promised by multiple people on several occasions. (With witnesses.)


Is that what you were asking for in your lawsuit?
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Okay, I found the whole legal thing online:

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00348/142068/

I don't know why crock has to pay for this stuff. :-)
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