Maklelan Contemplates A Lawsuit

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I am not so sure Doctor Scratch(please use his title since he worked very hard to attain it) did not describe this youngster innacurately. The youngster clearly admitted to being a forger and criminal in times. So, no, Doctor Scratch was not wrong to bring this to anyone's attention.

Additionally, Mr. Maklelan defined the CARM poster's behavior as approaching legal harrassment. What was his purpose for defining it the way he did, and why was he canvassing the MAD board for opinions on the matter? I shudder to think what would happen if he had been encouraged to seek a legal remedy in this matter.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_maklelan]

If you deny that just admit that you hate God and DIE..

Given the context, I'd feel safe guessing this poster was referring to the spiritual death that denying God brings, in the poster's worldview.

If mak finds this upsetting, he should read some of Nehor's posts on this board! lol

No, it was a loose paraphrase of what Job's wife said to him, and referred simply to physical death. He was later corrected on the quote, which is actually, "Curse God and die." I'm not really concerned with what he said, anymore, though. I'm concerned with the fact that I just stumbled across a rather juvenile attempt to make me out to be some kind conniving idiot. That thread was short lived, benign, and utterly irrelevant, and it gets misrepresented and blown far out of proportion here for the sake of Scratch's pathological need to bitch about Mormons.

[Guest]

Hello,

I am not so sure Doctor Scratch(please use his title since he worked very hard to attain it) did not describe this youngster innacurately. The youngster clearly admitted to being a forger and criminal in times. So, no, Doctor Scratch was not wrong to bring this to anyone's attention.

No, not "wrong" so to speak, but petty and childish. This was a public discussion we had long ago where I made no secret of the fact that I was not a law abiding citizen before I was baptized into the church. Since September 9, 2000, however, I have been perfectly law abiding, and Scratch's allusion to my previous comportment is simply an attempt to smear my name when he knows I have nothing whatsoever to do with those activities anymore. Scratch wanted to make it sound like I'm still involved in that stuff when he knows I am not, which is indefensibly juvenile.

Additionally, Mr. Maklelan defined the CARM poster's behavior as approaching legal harrassment. What was his purpose for defining it the way he did, and why was he canvassing the MAD board for opinions on the matter? I shudder to think what would happen if he had been encouraged to seek a legal remedy in this matter.

I would have felt vindicated in thinking what he did was totally inappropriate. As it happened, I was informed that what he did was actually not harassment, which taught me a thing or two. I at no time considered a lawsuit and at no time would have. I made that perfectly clear in my previous post, and I'll thank you to stop telling me what was going on inside my head simply because an anti-Mormon prima donna did it to feel like a bigger man.

PS - I'll call him Dr. when I'm given a reason to. "Doctor Scratch," as far as I'm concerned, is no more a reason than Dr. Pepper.

[_harmony]

Since September 9, 2000, however, I have been perfectly law abiding, and Scratch's allusion to my previous comportment is simply an attempt to smear my name when he knows I have nothing whatsoever to do with those activities anymore.

And yet you are the wonderful person you currently are, because of your past experiences. Otherwise, you'd have to take Pahoran to task over his reminding me about WAzing, since Daniel and I have settled our differences over that. And we both know you don't want to get on Pahoran's bad side.

[_maklelan]

Since September 9, 2000, however, I have been perfectly law abiding, and Scratch's allusion to my previous comportment is simply an attempt to smear my name when he knows I have nothing whatsoever to do with those activities anymore.

And yet you are the wonderful person you currently are, because of your past experiences. Otherwise, you'd have to take Pahoran to task over his reminding me about WAzing, since Daniel and I have settled our differences over that. And we both know you don't want to get on Pahoran's bad side.

I don't see how the behavior of anyone else on this or any other forum bears on whether or not it is appropriate treat me in such a juvenile manner, especially for one who evidently wants to be called "Doctor." I hope you're not honestly appealing to that kind of logic to defend Scratch's behavior.

[_harmony]

I don't see how the behavior of anyone else on this or any other forum bears on whether or not it is appropriate treat me in such a juvenile manner, especially for one who evidently wants to be called "Doctor." I hope you're not honestly appealing to that kind of logic to defend Scratch's behavior.

Since I rarely defend Scratch, it might help if you try to find a different explanation. Perhaps (as is the case), I was trying to help you see that your past is part of you, that you learned many valuable lessons from your past, that it is what makes you the person you are today. You were a forger, you were a druggie, and you are not now any of those things (Heaven be praised!). Scratch pointing out your past is not juvenile nor inappropriate, although I agree that Scratch could learn some lessons in delivery of his point. You have great insight into many things, because of your past. You should thank him (although it's okay to snipe at him for his delivery)

I was WAzing, and WAzing was not a nice person. WAzing upset some people, and while WAzing isn't at all sorry for the overall story of WAzing, I am sorry I called Daniel a prick. I was thinking "cattle prod" being the farm girl I am, and he thought I meant it sexually (although WAzing would have been much more apt to cite erectile dysfunction, had she meant to insult sexually). So once I found out about the miscommunication, I apologized for that part of WAzing. However, I still own WAzing. I still carry her (well, 1/3 of her) with me, because she is a valid part of my past. Pahoran thinks he's needling me when he calls me harmony/serenity/WAzing, just as Scratch thinks he's needling you. He's not, as I own all of those people and more (he forgets Dill Pickles and Blink).

In other words, don't be ashamed of your past. Own it. Keep it close so you can continue to learn from it. Don't put it in a closet; it will come out and bite you if you try that.

[_Nightingale]

...don't be ashamed of your past. Own it. Keep it close so you can continue to learn from it. Don't put it in a closet; it will come out and bite you if you try that.

Yes. But when someone is referencing it, it might be an idea not to make it sound like it's your current story if it is not. Otherwise, that would be misleading. This is at least the second time I have seen Mak referred to as a "forger" and I thought it meant currently, although I didn't know what it referred to. Also though, I think it's better left up to the individual concerned to refer to their own backstory and not someone else's business to drag it up. That's just common courtesy and respect for privacy, in my book.

We all live and learn and grow and change. Why refer to someone in terms of what they did in a prior phase of their life? It could occasionally be relevant, depending on circumstances, but in a fair discussion about other non-related issues? Not likely.

Re the quote by Job's wife: Yeah, OK, I see that now. Thanks for the clarification. Still, if it's a direct quote from a known source with context preserved, it doesn't come across as an actual direct real life threat, do you think?

[_harmony]

That's just common courtesy and respect for privacy, in my book.

You expect common courtesy and respect for privacy from Scratch... or Pahoran... here?

Can I interest you in some ocean front property in Arizona?

They're going to stick it to anyone they think they can. The trick is to own whatever it is they're trying to stick you with. After a while, they realize they won't get a rise out of you, and then the fun's gone. Whining about someone like that does no good. Heck, even refusing to post on a board they post on doesn't work... there's always a Scratch or Pahoran around, no matter where you go.

[_Nightingale]

That's just common courtesy and respect for privacy, in my book.

You expect common courtesy and respect for privacy from Scratch... or Pahoran... here?

Can I interest you in some ocean front property in Arizona?

Not expect, no. Just saying the way it goes for me. Casting the first stone 'n all that. We all err. Most of us learn and try to do better. That we all "fall short" is a basic Christian tenet. If I'm so busy harping on about my neighbour's faults and missteps that I can't take the time to notice my own, that is a bit too hypocritical for me to be comfortable.

As for Arizona - I've actually been there. Visiting former missionaries I knew when they were in my area. It's about 40 degrees too hot there for me, not even cooling down in the evening. We're having a few 90 degree days here now and it's going to "cool down" to mid-80s tomorrow. That's still 10 degrees too hot for me. Maybe I need to move further north! Fortunately, our summers tend to be short. Just enough sunshine to tease the tourists and warm up the locals. Then back to long cool falls and stretches of rain before the snow flies.

As for the mishies in AZ, they didn't keep in touch. Guess they didn't "love" me at all...

[_maklelan]

Since I rarely defend Scratch, it might help if you try to find a different explanation. Perhaps (as is the case), I was trying to help you see that your past is part of you, that you learned many valuable lessons from your past, that it is what makes you the person you are today.

And not a word of that scuttled across Scratch's mind when he wrote "self-admitted forger." I'm well aware of what those experiences mean to me, and that discussion is quite distinct from this one.

You were a forger, you were a druggie, and you are not now any of those things (Heaven be praised!). Scratch pointing out your past is not juvenile nor inappropriate, although I agree that Scratch could learn some lessons in delivery of his point.

No, he didn't use any past tenses in his statement, and he wasn't trying to suggest anything other than that I'm a reprobate. Don't go down this road of trying to defend a clearly juvenile and petty remark.

You have great insight into many things, because of your past. You should thank him (although it's okay to snipe at him for his delivery).

Now I should thank Scratch? I can't believe I'm reading this.