LDS Security Detains Affectionate (Gay) Couple on Plaza

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Pokatator wrote:Mak,

I have been away from the board for a while. I read this entire thread last night and thought it over. I read every link and I find no mention anywhere of a surveillance video or mention of "the church providing the prosecution with a surveillance video".

I skimmed it again just now, maybe I have missed something but I am paying attention. I find no information of a video mentioned. Perhaps you have some inside information from l-skinny or some other source that you would like to share with us. You seem to imply that you have seen the video?

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From an SLTrib article (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12937788):

The church released video footage of the couple's encounter with security guards to Gill's office. The prosecutor said the film lacked audio and did not show the now-famous kiss.

Aune has said the couple's display of affection was modest, but the church maintained the two "engaged in passionate kissing, groping, profane and lewd language, and had obviously been using alcohol."

Gill said the tape showed a "scuffle, but "it wasn't clear the level of force or the intensity. You saw the two parties were being separated."
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Analytics wrote:
Pokatator wrote:One thing over this whole issue I just can't believe is that the church doesn't have a surveillance video of this incident. Every KMart, WalMart in the world has a video of activities in their parking lots and everywhere else. So, why doesn't the church do the same for this problematic and controversially acquired piece of real estate? I believe they do.

I believe a video exists.

I hate buying into conspiracy theories, but I think you are right.


From the SLtrib:
"The church released video footage of the couple's encounter with security guards to Gill's office. The prosecutor said the film lacked audio and did not show the now-famous kiss."

Of course.. because it was just a kiss not some passionate nonsense the Church alleges (lies..) about.. If they had video portions that proved their charges you would see it..


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From an SLTrib article (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12937788):

The church released video footage of the couple's encounter with security guards to Gill's office. The prosecutor said the film lacked audio and did not show the now-famous kiss.

Aune has said the couple's display of affection was modest, but the church maintained the two "engaged in passionate kissing, groping, profane and lewd language, and had obviously been using alcohol."

Gill said the tape showed a "scuffle, but "it wasn't clear the level of force or the intensity. You saw the two parties were being separated."


Thanx, Mak, I really thought I had read all the links, there were several. Have you seen the video?

I am with TAK on this. The video seems not to be a smoking gun or it would go to the news media and not just the prosecutor. Without the "kiss" I wonder if the video was edited.

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Jesus would be so proud of those fat goons..



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Releasing the video after the arraignment is perfectly normal and in no way implies anything underhanded or suspicious on the part of the church. Clearly no video was trained on the couple when the "kiss" was taking place. The security personnel are already in place speaking with the couple when the footage moves in on them.

From the video a couple things are clear. First, the security personnel is clearly giving the couple the option to settle down or leave. Their detainment doesn't take place until 36 seconds into the footage, which began an indeterminate amount of time after the initial confrontation. (Many think Aune reaches out to push the officer right before he is detained, but it seems to me he is pointing in another direction and the parallax view makes it seem he's jabbing him in the chest.) Jones' statement asserts that additional security personnel was showing up in the middle of the argument, which would put the footage at the tail end of it, since no additional officers show up.

Second, the story about being thrown to the ground seems untenable. This is Jones' statement:

At this point they then split us up and forced me onto the ground on my stomach.


The two were not "split up," they ran from the security officers and split themselves up. The video follows the taller of the two men as he attempts to escape, but as it does, the other (light shirt) can be seen trying to lunge away from the security officer, which causes him to fall on the ground. While I find it difficult to believe he actually thought he was being forced to the ground, I suppose it's possible. The security officer, however, clearly did not force him to the ground.

I don't find anything in the video that patricularly supports Jones' statement against the church's and the police report. It bothers me that the prosecutor stated that he dropped the case because the area wasn't clearly marked. He either wasn't aware that Aune claimed himself to have been a vocal opponent of the transfer of proprietorship in 2003 (making it highly unlikely that his belligerent refusal to leave was based on anything other than a conscious attempt to protest that proprietorship), or he decided to ignore that fact. He appears rather to have wanted to distance himself from the controversy, which will only feed the dishonesty and the self-righteous indignation of those who still believe the couple was at all innocent or honest about what happened. The church and its members will now unjustly be ridiculed for doing absolutely nothing wrong, but the impression I get from the prosecutor is that he's perfectly happy with that outcome.
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TAK wrote:Jesus would be so proud of those fat goons..


Brilliant. I'm willing to bet I'm in much better shape than you. Does that mean I'm a better person than you, or that I can call you a "fat goon" if it makes me feel better about my prejudices?
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maklelan wrote:
TAK wrote:Jesus would be so proud of those fat goons..


Brilliant. I'm willing to bet I'm in much better shape than you. Does that mean I'm a better person than you, or that I can call you a "fat goon" if it makes me feel better about my prejudices?


Hello Sir,

How is being obese in accordance with the Lord's will vis a vis the Mormon's Doctrine and Covenants? Those "goons" are sinning, it seems.

Very Respectfuly,

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Clearly no video was trained on the couple when the "kiss" was taking place.


clearly bullsh*t.. and you know it..

and by the way, it just means that the goons are fat..
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:snip
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