Rational justification for Polygamy?

[_harmony]

I'm glad to hear that Harmony has a long marriage. That's great.

But I still think she dislikes men in general when I consider how many of them might easily offend her because of their values and belief.

Paul O

I don't dislike anyone just because they offend me, Paul. They have to have done something really bad for me to dislike them.

[_asbestosman]

Any man who supports polygamy in any way is not in that catagory, Liz.

Out of curiosity, does that hold true even if they would support polyandry in the same way as polygyny?

[_harmony]

Again, I'm just confused about why God would put such a huge obstacle in the way of something that He supposedly finds so primarily important for all of us to partake in as part of our ultimate exaltation....if that is, indeed the case.

It's not at all confusing, once you get past the idea that God had anything to do with it. Remember: God said it was an abomination.

[_harmony]

Any man who supports polygamy in any way is not in that catagory, Liz.

Out of curiosity, does that hold true even if they would support polyandry in the same way as polygyny?

Equality is where it's at. All or nothing.

[_Paul Osborne]

Again, I'm just confused about why God would put such a huge obstacle in the way of something that He supposedly finds so primarily important for all of us to partake in as part of our ultimate exaltation....if that is, indeed the case.

Well, imagine how difficult it must be for some LDS people who struggle with same sex attraction. It seems their world must be upside down!

Of course, that's another conversation . . . . not meaning to derail the thread.

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

I don't dislike anyone just because they offend me, Paul. They have to have done something really bad for me to dislike them.

Ok, Harmony. I'll take you at your word. Surely, you don't dislike me!

But I got to say, I sure like my balls! Their fun to play with!



Paul O

[_Yoda]

I don't dislike anyone just because they offend me, Paul. They have to have done something really bad for me to dislike them.

Ok, Harmony. I'll take you at your word. Surely, you don't dislike me!

But I got to say, I sure like my balls! Their fun to play with!



Paul O

Paul...you're impossible to dislike. You're a doll.

But based on your last remark...you definitely need to go to bed. LOL

So do I.

'Night, all!

[_asbestosman]

Putting this into a gospel perspective, do you think that a "natural" abhorrence to polygamy is an example of something that we struggle against as part of "the natural man"?

Again, I'm just confused about why God would put such a huge obstacle in the way of something that He supposedly finds so primarily important for all of us to partake in as part of our ultimate exaltation....if that is, indeed the case.

I honestly don't know. I don't think our natural abhorrence of polygamy is necessarily a bad thing. Then again, neither is physical attraction.

I sometimes try to view the whole earth as just a big family where we're all literally brothers and sisters. Yet romantic love is different. I'm fine with my wife giving her brother a hug because it's not romantic even if it is loving.

I then think about the nature of love in general and wonder whether romantic love is truly the highest, or whether the love of God is supreme. I think the latter should be and yet somehow I don't quite believe it. They are different to be sure and serve a different purpose. What I mean though is that I seem to feel that romantic love is best even though my faith tells me that God's love should be best. So if we all have God's love and don't feel sibling rivalry about God, what does that mean about me? About the different kinds of love? I don't know. Perhaps when one knows that one has finally reached ultimate exaltation. I would hope that sometime in the afterlife I will have sufficiently overcome any conditions of the flesh (be it a temptation, or instinct, good or ill) such that it is more easy to discover the answer.

Another thing it makes me consider is that I probably should carefully work on my own perspective and consider the needs of other's children even though I believe that I should focus on my own.

[_asbestosman]

Equality is where it's at. All or nothing.

I dislike them and accept them equally. If God commands it the other way around, so be it. I hope not, but I would accept it in the same way I would accept polygyny.

I think both are inherently problematic but not inherently immoral. I also think each has its own unique set of problems, but that ultimately neither one is preferable to the other. Monogamy also has some difficulties, but given our natures it is the most manageable and desirable option.

[_marg]

Just one that is rational! And I'm not looking for a fight!

My point is that there is no "Rational" argument or defense for Mormon polygamy! Hell, even the LDS Church runs from it today as fast as they can.

You seem to be confusing something, a rational argument from the perspective of J. Smith and early Mormon leaders and what they thought would benefit the church, does not entail being a defense for polygamy.

For Marg:

If you make claims - back them up. Otherwise your arguments are about as irrational as polygamy!!

My not doing the search for you, though I have done it for myself does not entail my argument being irrational. All it entails is that I can't be bothered doing a search for you. If you were interested you'd do it yourself. I don't particularly care whether you are interested or not or whether you believe me or not. by the way, I've also read the early Christian church was predominately females...and no I'm not going to back that up for you either.

A question occurred to me today which illustrates a major difference in attitude between sexes. How many men would allow themselves to be put into subservient, position of being one spouse of many to one woman? Think about that, women allow it done to them, but men wouldn't put up with it.

Edit: Here joey go to page 190, I'd copy but it's a pdf file more women join cults and religious groups than men