Hinckley Testifies of Mormons Worshiping J Smith

[_Kishkumen]

Why? Polygamy is not doctrinal.

Why do you keep repeating that obvious falsehood?

[Guest]

Does your mental midgetry know no bounds? I honestly cannot believe how unable you are to grasp the simplest of concepts. I dare say I might have to place you in the same category as Joseph, Polygamy-Porter, and Atticus Finch.

Do you imagine, for example, that cite and kite mean the same thing?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are very much different. The hyphen, the lowercase "d", and the word The are all different.

Good lord you are an idiot (no surprise there) - you do realize that cite and kite are pronounced differently right? a hyphen doesn't change the pronunciation of latter-day SO...stop for a second, pull your tongue out of thomas s monsons butt and use whats left of your critical thinking skills...

Strangites CALL themselves members of "THE church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...

you CALL yourself a member of "the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...

there is no difference in what you CALL yourselves therefore you don't have a monopoly on being CALLED (your word) members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...the only difference is in the way you choose to write the name of your church...again, you are a tool (and, again, no surprise there) - but, hey, you are an awesome example of everything that is wrong with Mormonism so kudos to you...



and i mean that with every fiber of my being....you tool...

[_Joseph]

The current name is the Third choice, possibly even the fifth choice since the 'restoration' took place.
Church of Christ was used and thrown out.
Church of Jesus Christ was used and thrown out.

Some say a couple others were tried and dumped also before the current verison came about. Took 8 years before Jesus told Joseph what the name should be. How long did it take to come up with the 'latter and former' stuff to tell them apart from then til now? Why was an explanation needed at all? It is is 'The Same Church', why latter & former or any difference at all.

If an entire continent can be saved from any people at all for The Chosen boat people, why not something as simple as the name of a church?

[_Simon Belmont]

Good lord you are an idiot (no surprise there) - you do realize that cite and kite are pronounced differently right? a hyphen doesn't change the pronunciation of latter-day SO...stop for a second, pull your tongue out of thomas s monsons butt and use whats left of your critical thinking skills...

I do, but I question whether you do. You seem to believe that all heteronymous words mean exactly the same thing.

I would be willing to place a large bet that you imagine that minute and minute refer to the same thing, where one means exceptionally small, while the other refers to sixty seconds.

And when you recreate, do you believe that you are both enjoying your free time, and actually re-creating something?

Strangites CALL themselves members of "THE church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...

No, they don't. Have you ever met a Strangite? They often refer to themselves as "The Original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," or "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."

you CALL yourself a member of "the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...

No, I call myself a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

there is no difference in what you CALL yourselves therefore you don't have a monopoly on being CALLED (your word) members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...

Wrong again. Perhaps you should study up on the subject lest you look like a fool.

There were three successive names used by the original church:

• “Church of Christ” was made official by Joseph Smith in April 1830.
  
• “Church of Latter Day Saints” was made official by Joseph Smith in April 1834.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” was made official by Joseph Smith in April 1838.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” was still in use by Joseph Smith when he was killed in 1844.
  
  “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” was used by James J. Strang from 1844 until he was killed in 1856.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” has been continuously used by members of the church ever since.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” is a name or phrase that has been in the public domain since 1844.

Your strange ideas are nothing more than a joke.

[_Joseph]

For them, that is true doctrine. For us, it is not.

You really think GordyB knew what he was talking about since D&C 132 is still accepted as 'doctrine' and it contains plural marriage?

Or was Gordy dissembling and lying in front of the TV camera?

[_schreech]

Good lord you are an idiot (no surprise there) - you do realize that cite and kite are pronounced differently right? a hyphen doesn't change the pronunciation of latter-day SO...stop for a second, pull your tongue out of thomas s monsons butt and use whats left of your critical thinking skills...

I do, but I question whether you do. You seem to believe that all heteronymous words mean exactly the same thing.

I would be willing to place a large bet that you imagine that minute and minute refer to the same thing, where one means exceptionally small, while the other refers to sixty seconds.

And when you recreate, do you believe that you are both enjoying your free time, and actually re-creating something?

Strangites CALL themselves members of "THE church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...

No, they don't. Have you ever met a Strangite? They often refer to themselves as "The Original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," or "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."

you CALL yourself a member of "the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...

No, I call myself a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

there is no difference in what you CALL yourselves therefore you don't have a monopoly on being CALLED (your word) members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...

Wrong again. Perhaps you should study up on the subject lest you look like a fool.

There were three successive names used by the original church:

• “Church of Christ” was made official by Joseph Smith in April 1830.
  
• “Church of Latter Day Saints” was made official by Joseph Smith in April 1834.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” was made official by Joseph Smith in April 1838.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” was still in use by Joseph Smith when he was killed in 1844.
  
  “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” was used by James J. Strang from 1844 until he was killed in 1856.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” has been continuously used by members of the church ever since.
  
• “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” is a name or phrase that has been in the public domain since 1844.

Your strange ideas are nothing more than a joke.

Lol - yes, i am sure they say "i am a member of church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...good zues you are a tool...its like im am arguing with an 8 year old who is intellectually incapable of rationally supporting the stupid things that come out of their mouth but is too immature to just concede that they were wrong ...you will actually attempt to defend any of the moronic statement that come of your mouth, wont you?

Again, once you remove your tongue from tommys arse, i might find you mildly amusing but, as of now, your idiotic rants and internet expertise of all things Mormon are becoming boring....like i said, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with "the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints" (not to be confused with the "church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" - lol)

Lets see about that monopoly - hmmm - quick google search and i found all kinds of examples that show what an ignorant tool you are:

"Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader. Apparently, his church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size." - http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/06/12 ... mon-group/

"Generally, it means that Strang was midway between the LDS and RLDS chronologically, historically, politically, and theologically. Moreover, it suggests that where the LDS Church is conservative and the RLDS Church is liberal, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints formerly presided over by Strang is invariably moderate." - http://www.Mormonism.com/out-2.htm - how about this from the same link: "You may visit the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at the “Church” link below:" - guess where that link goes?...

yea - it looks like you have a "monopoly" on being CALLED a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...asshat...

[_ludwigm]

...
The hyphen, the lowercase "d", and the word The are all different.

Big differences, I can say.
What about the roots?

Are there 200+ or 2000+ splinter groups which have evolved from the teachings of Joseph Smith?
Joseph Smith,
- the prophet and Seer of the Lord, who has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it
- whose character stands as fair as that of any man's mentioned in the Bible
- who have more to boast of than ever any man had

Do they all - from LDS in SLC to Warren Jeff's group - accept Book of Mormon as scripture, accept Joseph Smith as prophet, accept (more or less) the Doctrine and Covenants as doctrine?

Who can be a true scotsman?

by the way hyphens, uppercases ...
(And, as I used to learn long ago: do not place definite or indefinite articles - the, a and an - at the beginning of titles)

On the importance of using punctuation marks

It happened in the 13th century that the Hungarian king (Andreas II) was on a crusade in Jerusalem, and in his absence his wife (Gertrudis) was in control. She was a foreigner and the Hungarian aristocrats hated her for favoring Germans and Italians over locals at the royal court. But the worst thing she did was helping to cover up when her brother (Othon) raped the palatin's wife (Melinda). The palatin (Bánk) was supposed to be second after the king in the chain of command, and he decided to take revenge by plotting to kill the queen. Before taking action, however, he wanted to know how the archbishop (John, 3d in the chain of command) felt about his plan. He sent him a letter and requested a written response.

The archbishop felt very unconfortable about the question, since in the absence of the king the palatin was the boss, but it was clear that upon his return the king may retaliate. So he sent back the following sentence:

"REGINAM OCCIDERE NOLITE TIMERE BONUM EST SI OMNES CONSENTIUNT EGO NON CONTRADICO."

Conveniently, he "forgot" about punctuation marks. Here is my attempt of an English translation:
"Kill Queen you must not fear will be good if all agree I do not oppose."

Of course there are two possible readings, one for the palatin, the other for the king:
1. "REGINAM OCCIDERE, NOLITE TIMERE, BONUM EST SI OMNES CONSENTIUNT, EGO NON CONTRADICO."
("Kill Queen, you must not fear, will be good if all agree, I do not oppose.")

2. "REGINAM OCCIDERE NOLITE, TIMERE BONUM EST, SI OMNES CONSENTIUNT EGO NON, CONTRADICO."
("Kill Queen you must not, fear will be good, if all agree I do not, oppose.")

Don't be surprised, if the sentence strikes you as familiar.

Don't be surprised, if the sentence strikes you as familiar.


(Please google "reginam occidere")

[_Simon Belmont]

Lol - yes, i am sure they say "i am a member of church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...good zues you are a tool...its like im am arguing with an 8 year old who is intellectually incapable of rationally supporting the stupid things that come out of their mouth but is too immature to just concede that they were wrong ...you will actually attempt to defend any of the moronic statement that come of your mouth, wont you?

Again, once you remove your tongue from tommys arse, i might find you mildly amusing but, as of now, your idiotic rants and internet expertise of all things Mormon are becoming boring....like i said, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with "the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints" (not to be confused with the "church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" - lol)

Lets see about that monopoly - hmmm - quick google search and i found all kinds of examples that show what an ignorant tool you are:

"Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader. Apparently, his church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size." - http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/06/12 ... mon-group/

"Generally, it means that Strang was midway between the LDS and RLDS chronologically, historically, politically, and theologically. Moreover, it suggests that where the LDS Church is conservative and the RLDS Church is liberal, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints formerly presided over by Strang is invariably moderate." - http://www.Mormonism.com/out-2.htm - how about this from the same link: "You may visit the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at the “Church” link below:" - guess where that link goes?...

yea - it looks like you have a "monopoly" on being CALLED a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...asshat...

So, the problem you are having is with the word "called."

Let me ask you this:

What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on tithing slips?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on membership records?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on published materials?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on legal documents?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on patriarchal blessings?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on correspondence?

[_schreech]

Lol - yes, i am sure they say "i am a member of church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"...good zues you are a tool...its like im am arguing with an 8 year old who is intellectually incapable of rationally supporting the stupid things that come out of their mouth but is too immature to just concede that they were wrong ...you will actually attempt to defend any of the moronic statement that come of your mouth, wont you?

Again, once you remove your tongue from tommys arse, i might find you mildly amusing but, as of now, your idiotic rants and internet expertise of all things Mormon are becoming boring....like i said, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with "the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints" (not to be confused with the "church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" - lol)

Lets see about that monopoly - hmmm - quick google search and i found all kinds of examples that show what an ignorant tool you are:

"Evidently Strang was a dynamic leader. Apparently, his church (officially known with slightly different punctuation as the Utah church: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [no hyphen, different capitalization]) rivaled the Brigham Young movement in size." - http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/06/12 ... mon-group/

"Generally, it means that Strang was midway between the LDS and RLDS chronologically, historically, politically, and theologically. Moreover, it suggests that where the LDS Church is conservative and the RLDS Church is liberal, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints formerly presided over by Strang is invariably moderate." - http://www.Mormonism.com/out-2.htm - how about this from the same link: "You may visit the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at the “Church” link below:" - guess where that link goes?...

yea - it looks like you have a "monopoly" on being CALLED a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...asshat...

So, the problem you are having is with the word "called."

Let me ask you this:

What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on tithing slips?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on membership records?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on published materials?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on legal documents?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on patriarchal blessings?
What is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "called" on correspondence?

Who cares? I already showed you that you don't have a monopoly on being CALLED the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...asshat....

[_Simon Belmont]

Who cares? I already showed you that you don't have a monopoly on being CALLED the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...asshat....

I have never heard anyone verbally say, when asked, "I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." We usually refer to ourselves as Mormons, or LDS.

Likewise, I am sure that Strangites refer, verbally, to themselves as Strangites, or Mormons.

All that matters is the official name, the name that is on paper.

In which case we are the only church called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Unless you can show me another church with that exact name.

The following do not meet the requirements:

Aaronic Order.
Apostolic United Brethren.
Church of Christ (Fetting/Bronson).
Church of Christ (Temple Lot).
The Church of Christ "With The Elijah Message."
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite).
The Community of Christ.
United Order Effort.
The Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.