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[_j-bug]

jbug--do you talk like this in the real world?

I can be worse in real life. Fortunately, such occasions are rare.

I don't take kindly to LDS members so quickly and casually throwing plain and clear scripture to the curb if it suits their personal agenda that comes from the crapheadedness of the world, especially if just a little bit of common sense were used and they would see the fallacy, or at least the potential fallacy, of their position.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm having a hard time taking any of your comments seriously--are you for real?

I'm probably among only a handful of real people you have ever dialoged with. Most people are so busy calculating so as not to offend that they leave kindness at the curb and enter into the domain of being "nice", which is a form of dishonesty in my view.

When you are dealing with me, you know straight up right where you stand because I'll tell you. I'm not afraid to piss you off if that's what it takes to get a point across. However, there shall be no malvolence or pleasure in your pain on my part, only hope that you might just be willing to consider a view you are either afraid of or indifferent to that by not doing so, in my opinion, could clearly lead to seriously crappy eternal consequences.

I admit I could be mistaken that this person idealizes having a husband that jumps at every mere suggestion of hers without grounding himself firmly to a Lord other than her. But, there certainly is very strong evidence in the minset she is coming from that suggests such. If I do ever find I have gone over the top, I will eat humble pie and apologize. I've done it before and I anticipate I may do it again. If the word battle becomes sore, I can lose my footing at times.

If you are comfortable answering, I'd love to know if you consider yourself a true TBM and if so, what calling to you have in your ward?

I am definitely not a mainstream LDS but I am devoted to the church and take all of my oaths and covenants seriously. I expect some day I could be excommunicated and I'm willing for that to happen, but I am in no hurry to get there.

I agree with just me:

The so-called Law of Sarah is not a law. It does not empower women. It is spiritual and mental abuse.

So was Jesus dying on the cross to save your soul a form of spiritual and mental abuse. For heaven's sake, you think a woman can have her rebellion and her privileges too? That's like me telling Jesus its spiritual and mental abuse for me to have to rely upon His Word through His Lord's Anointed Prophet and the confirmation of the Holy Spirit of Promise in order for me to have a wife with me in the Father's Kingdom. And that if I do not fully and completely submit myself to His will, as He has done to the Father's will, that all of my rights and privileges in the Father's Kingdom are forefeit.

Look, if you ladies want to go out and marry some guy who is the man of your dreams outside of the confines of what Celestial Law prescribes, you go for it. While you are at it, if it does not meet the criteria of the temple ceremony, please do yourself the courtesy to not mock God and think you are going to impose your personal fantasy into the matter and have God vindicate and reward it with His eternal blessings.

If you think to pull this off you are worse than on your own. You are viewed as a tare and shall be treated accordingly. You are better off to surrender your membership and forfeit your spiritual resurrection, which is what happens when you receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost, than to go into your judgment as a tare.

By joining the church and being reunited with your eternal soul and thus as Adam becomming a "living soul" you are now elevating yourself to that level of accountability and potentially bringing your eternal soul under eternal condemnation.

If you recognize you are currently in a state of mind where your spiritual resurrection has no integrity, per all the factors governing it (namely the Word of God including section 132), then you should willingly put your eternal soul back on the shelf in safe keeping and not drag it down to the second death. You shall be dammed anyway, but far less horrendously than if you are found to be a tare.

The Father's Plan is the Law that shall govern the Celestial Kingdom. The core of this plan is to maintain liberty in a long-lasting manner instead of the "flash in the pan" version of short-lived liberty the United States of America has seen come and soon to go.

Did you know that America actually means "Kingdom of Heaven"? Look at the etymology in Galic, German, Hebrew, etc. and it points to this hidden meaning. We currently are in the new War in Heaven (America) in the pre-existence of the new Creation right now.

You would do well to consider you are standing in direct opposition to the Father and the Plan He gave us through Joseph Smith Jun. Lucifer is currently standing at the head of pretty much everything while Eve (the church) remains beguiled and fast asleep with her eyes (seers) closed.

The time for Eve to wake up and say "I know thee now! ..." and to participate again in casting the old Serpent out is right on our doorsteps. Only those who awaken to their awful situation and revitalize their understanding of and appreciation for the Father's Plan and pledge their all to its redemption shall be found worthy to inherit it.

Those tares who fight against it shall be ejected from Abel's and Seth's linege and only be allowed to be sealed into Cain's lineage, which shall align their future physical resurrection in the new Creation to only inhabit bodies with the curse of Cain. This is the realization of Perdition.

The bodies they may legitimately receive are not heirs of "life" (spiritual life) and salvation because they are experiencing the second death, which is spiritual death. Put another way, they are denied the ability to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost eternally. Not to mention, the men also have their priesthood stripped eternally.

This is the cliff I see dead ahead for many of my dear brothers and sisters in the church that I desire with all my heart to wake them up and get them off the doomed path they are currently on. Supporting the progressive feminist agenda of Lucifer inside the church is guaranteed Perdition.

You should take up this subject with far more caution and consideration than you seem to be. Your eternal soul is hanging in the balance. Also, hopefully the tidbit in this post about Eve will help you understand who your Mother in Heaven really is in real life. She is the "Mother of all LIVING". Please wake up!

[_j-bug]

jbug, why are you having a difficult time being polite?

Being polite isn't my highest priority.

We are simply discussing issues. I have not personally attacked you in any way. You are the one who is projecting things like "nit-wit" and doodoohead or whatever into the conversation (all the threads I've seen you on). Such is completely unnecessary.

I find when people throw scripture to the curb and favor their own interpretations to be highly offensive. You portrayed Abraham as a nit-wit and I labeled it as such. I don't try and be subtle and crafty about things. I am simply straight up, and to me that is what is necessary.

The fact that you feel compelled to attack me personally tells me that you really have nothing to bring to the table.

The fact that you attack the validity of Joseph Smith's revelations tells me you have no business in the church he founded and I'd like to see you get packing.

God made a promise to Abraham. The promise has not been fulfilled yet.

Says who?

But you are telling me that you believe Abraham has been judged, resurrected and given his inheritance already.

I didn't say it, the Prophet Joseph Smith said it and you are arrogating yourself as though you can correct him with nothing more than injecting your position in the premise as if I'm supposed to agree with you.

He is off producing spirit babies with Sarah and Hagar on another planet where he has been, or will be, an "Adam, Savior and Father." I guess he will be absent from the conference at Adam-ondi-Ahman. Or do you believe in the gathering at Adam-ondi-Ahman? There are really so many different beliefs to choose from.

Where in tarnation do you get the idea people from this earth are heading to any other physical planet somewhere else in the galaxy? If that's your notion, no wonder you don't know what Joseph Smith is talking about. Of course I believe in the gathering at Adam-ondi-Ahman. Abraham shall be there, don't worry, and he has been doing the things you claim he couldn't be doing. You just don't understand in what manner these things are done, yet you speak as if you are an authority on the subject.

According to scripture (which often contains contradiction) there must be some sort of "pre-sort" or prejudgement because there is a "first resurrection" and a "second resurrection." According to scripture, the first resurrection has started but has not ended. Do you interpret that as being 2 judgements?

Holy Writ only appears to have contradiction when you do not yet understand them. That is your first clue to get your ruminatory faculties in good order because some food you once were willing to swallow is going to need to come back up for further chewing.

The first resurrection started with the restoration of the Gospel. In terms of Israel it is a physical gathering/resurrection and in terms of us as individuals it is a spiritual resurrection where we are again reunited with the Holy Ghost, separation from such being spiritual death and union with such being spiritual life. Resurrection is bringing back into union that which was previously separated. There are therefore multiple aspects of resurrection to be mindful of.

Judgment Day is one and the same as the Sabbath Day (7th Day) as well as the Lord's Day (1st Day). It also happens to be concurrent with the Millennium. You should please recall that one Day unto the Lord is as a thousand years unto man. The work of judgment shall be the entire focus of the Millennium and becomes real by what is performed in the temples of the Lord.

This is when the souls of all mankind shall be organized into family lineages pertaining how they shall all manifest in the new Creation. Nations, kingdoms, countries, etc. and where on the earth they are alotted to dwell and under what circumstances and under what laws, etc. is all created and decreed spiritually by the power of the Word of God in His temples. Adam truly must give all the "creatures" their new names. This is part of their judgment when they are given their name.

Joseph Smith laid the foundation for this work but it is going to have to be redeemed and largely redone in light of the fact that our temples have been defiled for a very long time and Ephraim has made pretty much a total mockery of things.

The Father (Jesus and Joseph Smith Jun. in union as the Eloheim of the new Creation) comes and personally sees to the redemption and completion of this great and marvelous work under the banner of the House of Joseph, the Ox, the Alpha, the Head, the Beginning.

If you are worthy to enter the Celestial Kingdom He establishes in victory and power then you can be a part of this work and secure for yourself an honorable station in the new Creation.

If you fight against the establishment of His Kingdom when you have covenanted with Him that you would even give up your lives if necessary to assist in this, yet you become among His most bitter enemies, then His most bitter and sore condemnation shall be pronounced upon you, which is Perdition, Eternal Spiritual Death and likely rather crummy physical circumstances too. No more going to the tanning boothes to despise your fairness.

All of the haughty and snaughty people in here who with glee take denigrating jabs at their Judge and their King would do well to remember that He is going to have the final word on their future circumstances in life and existence. If there ever was a man to be most cautious, sober and circumspect in your dealings toward, Eloheim is most definitely such a Man. I have the least bit of hesitation to proclaim "Praise to the Man!"

[_Joseph]

jbugss, a wordy simone-space.

[_just me]

Okiedokie.

I have no more or less "authority" than you do-or any other human being. I have been trying to engage in a discussion with you to determine what your beliefs are. I've come across more offshoot beliefs than I can keep track of, so you really shouldn't be offended that I am not familiar with your remote personally held beliefs before.

None of the "notions" that I've expressed should be considered my personal beliefs. I am working from what I have gleaned from people who hold similar beliefs to yours-that the church is off track but that Joseph got it all right. Since you cannot engage me without personal insults I really have better things to do.

[_Lucinda]

Look, if you ladies want to go out and marry some guy who is the man of your dreams outside of the confines of what Celestial Law prescribes, you go for it. While you are at it, if it does not meet the criteria of the temple ceremony, please do yourself the courtesy to not mock God and think you are going to impose your personal fantasy into the matter and have God vindicate and reward it with His eternal blessings.

jbug--it sounds to me like you've been seriously b***h slapped by a tough lady that didn't take your crappola and now you have an ax to grind. But it's kind of creeping me out--remember the Laffertys?-- so this is where I bid you adieu. All the best!

[_j-bug]

I have no more or less "authority" than you do-or any other human being.

Says who?

I have been trying to engage in a discussion with you to determine what your beliefs are. I've come across more offshoot beliefs than I can keep track of, so you really shouldn't be offended that I am not familiar with your remote personally held beliefs before.

Why twist my offense into something other than what it is? I caught your sly slur against Abraham posing him as a nit-wit, what makes you think I won't catch your slur against me? My offense was your personal arrogation to throw Joseph Smith's revelations to the curb in order to slur Abraham as a nit-wit.

None of the "notions" that I've expressed should be considered my personal beliefs. I am working from what I have gleaned from people who hold similar beliefs to yours-that the church is off track but that Joseph got it all right. Since you cannot engage me without personal insults I really have better things to do.

What you don't seem to realize is how casually you have thrown Joseph Smith to the curb in favor of progressive feminist ideologies. That's nauseating to me so it's fine with me if you discontinue to dialog with me.

[_moksha]

Why should something bogus be listed on the Church site. Misinformation some wacky members can run with does more harm than good.

[_Nomomo]

This j-bug person is the most seriously mentally ill poster that I have ever observed on this board.

[_j-bug]

jbug--it sounds to me like you've been seriously b***h slapped by a tough lady that didn't take your crappola and now you have an ax to grind. But it's kind of creeping me out--remember the Laffertys?-- so this is where I bid you adieu. All the best!

If you actually care to know, the truth of my personal circumstances is completely the opposite of what you project. The fact is I was amazingly fortunate to marry a woman who is a Celestial woman. I had to learn how to appreciate her and not use her up or take her for granted. Because of her submissive posture and her faithfulness to maintain it, she put me squarely in the hot seat with Christ. Her way of being massively increased my accountability and I palpably felt it. Because of this I came to realize what an absolutely priceless gem was entrusted to my care and I had a choice to evolve to be the man she is worthy of or have her removed from me by Christ. Her purity, virtue, faith and patience toward me created the clearing for this. I have an amazingly wonderful and fulfilling marriage and I clearly understand the foundation it stands on and would love to help others to enjoy what my wife and I enjoy.

[_j-bug]

This j-bug person is the most seriously mentally ill poster that I have ever observed on this board.

From what point of view?
Coming from you I just might consider your opinion as a sincere compliment.