schreech wrote: The fact that you are still dwelling on this makes me realize you are upset and frustrated by your sad and unfulfilling ray-based-"celestial" sex life...Its even sadder that you can't understand how a woman might have her own sexual fantasies and that a woman might actually enjoy fulfilling those fantasies...this is probably because you, years ago, squashed any attempted your poor wife made to actually express herself in the bedroom of such a worthy priesthood holder and partner of Christ as yourself...those darn "feminists" having their own sexual thoughts and desires
I brought this subject up to expose the hypocrisy of Harmony who insinuated I treated women as objects for my own amusement and usage.
Think what you want about my sexual life.
schreech wrote:...luckily we have people like you (who listen to your crazy little demi-gods) to put these women in their place of submission.
Whether any women actually choose to give themselves submissively to a man or not is purely their own choice that I respect. Sadly, there are rather few men I know that would be worth taking the chance on. That's why Christ is also heavily involved in Celestial Marriage. Without His help, no man could do it honorably.
It is true that most men would use up and take such a woman for granted. I came very close to faltering in that respect with my wife. Praise the Lord He helped me cage the beast inside me that would have done that to her.
What I do not respect is when they come into a religious system with very clear parameters and try to distort and remake things to suit their own fancies. If they are going to be LDS women then I would like to see them reap the full benefits that are available by having integrity to it instead of perverting it. If they don't approve of the fundamentals of the religion then they should opt out and go their own way. Either choice they wish to make is perfectly fine by me.
Also, if they are going to bring Christ and God into this, then they really ought to have some integrity there to. The scriptures are very plain and clear and they put themselves in great danger to beguile themselves as they do to think that things are otherwise. It's the integrity that I seek to see established.
schreech wrote: You seem like a pretty disgusting individual who uses religion to take advantage of your wife(s)...Good luck with that
I can understand if you wish to stereotype me as such based on the little you have likely heard me say. I find you rather disgusting as well, but I might appreciate you more after getting to know you better too.
There are indeed many men who use religion for this purpose. I only have one wife and I have only caused her to cry on two occassions with one of them being more due to the stress of the situation than me being cross. She nearly caused a serious car accident and I snapped at her. The one and only other time was very early in our marriage when I made a critical remark that didn't need to be made. On both occasions I apologized and assured her I knew I was out of line and asked her to please forgive me and totally dismiss my foolish remarks. I really meant it because I have not snapped at her since.
The way my nature is at a fundamental level is I only ever want to enjoy what is real. I feel like if I have to use some kind of a device to get what I want out of someone then it is something that is not purely and simply offered to me in love and therefore not real. I want to know the difference because I value the difference, highly.
Therefore, I am not pushy or manipulative, though some may think I am trying to be. What I am is real, straight-up and uncalculating. I'm fine either way if you love me or hate me. People are definitely going to end up doing one or the other given time. Whichever you chose shall be based on what I actually am because I wasn't trying to get you to either love me or hate me. That choice is yours to make, not mine to tinker with.
Being manipulative or controlling would ruin the kind of woman I was fortunate enough to marry. She naturally wants to serve and please me and make me happy. Because of that I do all I can to reciprocate it back to her instead of just use it up. There is no manipulation or power struggle in our relationship and my wife and I can talk about anything. We don't need fantasies or external devices or anything to jump-start our passionate love for one another either. A little spontaneity is all we ever need.
I am rather blunt and intense here, but in person you likely wouldn't recognize me because I can laugh and have a good time with just about anyone, except people who are hypocrites and deceivers. My household can be characterized as pretty fun-loving most all the time. We have a great time together as a family. I love making my wife laugh and she spends a fair amount of time doing it.
Except for lately as we have a flu bug and I was up until 5 am cleaning up multiple bouts of vomit during the night. No home is a total panacea all the time, but ours is pretty darn close to it. I dare say we are pretty close to a Celestial home already, minus the stuffiness most people confuse with pure religion.
schreech wrote:...like i said, maybe channeling crazy-train-kimball is not the best choice around people who accept and endorse gender equality...
I don't know who you mean when you say "crazy-train-kimball".
You claim to accept and endorse gender equality but you will never experience it because you will never experience union.