From My Informant: DCP & Schryver Ordered to Stand Down

[_Blixa]

These people actually believe in a man-god that lives on a planet with his polygamous wives making babies. For eternity. And they believe they can become just like him.

And this is why apostates become apostates. They have absolutely no idea what we believe. If First Sergeant Gottagetinshape actually believes that Mormons believe what he claims, he is more dim than I imagines him to be.

Simon, I have yet to see any evidence that you know anything much about Mormonism or Mormon history. Your thread on martyrology is a good demonstration. I don't think I could add anything to that thread without completely rewriting the OP so that it said something (like why any of this was important) and provided rich material for discussion. But I didn't because I was already rewriting similar opening paragraphs for the freshman composition class I teach; the worst of which began, like your OP, by citing a dictionary definition. That is bad Jr. High School essay writing---did no teacher ever point that out to you? And, beyond the OP you seemed only interested in batting down other's points with half-sentence "answers" aimed at shutting down discussion, not developing a deep analysis of Smith's character or early Mormon history. That you diddled around over the word "armed" is, well, intellectually scandalous.

In some ways Simon, I think I'm a better Mormon that you are. At least I find the idea of man becoming elevated to Godhood, an exaltation far beyond other forms of salvation, astonishing beautiful and moving. I guess you think otherwise.

[_malkie]

They have absolutely no idea what we believe.

I never saw that coming. Talk about original.

How many times has this exchange occurred? It is like an infinite echo machine.

And yet again, for the umpteen-thousandth time, an apologist tells an apostate s/he did not understand Mormonism.

Yawn.

It's true, of course - by definition: anyone who understands Mormonism the way that Simon et al do would never turn away. Just ask Simon - he'll tell you (;=)

The corollary of this is that none of the people who have left Mormonism, regardless of their position/experience/testimony/anything else, has really understood Mormonism. Stake High Councilmen, Bishops, Temple Presidents, multi-generational members, apologists, dyed-in-the-wool staunch leaders of all sorts - if they left Mormonism it is taken as prima facie evidence that they did not understand Mormonism. Makes you wonder how they ever got to be in the positions that they did, and that nobody suspected (for the most part, at least) that all was not well with their relationships with the church.

In a way I don't know which is worse - that such people could fall away, or that their leaders couldn't see it coming.

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon, I have yet to see any evidence that you know anything much about Mormonism or Mormon history. Your thread on martyrology is a good demonstration. I don't think I could add anything to that thread without completely rewriting the OP so that it said something (like why any of this was important) and provided rich material for discussion. But I didn't because I was already rewriting similar opening paragraphs for the freshman composition class I teach; the worst of which began, like your OP, by citing a dictionary definition. That is bad Jr. High School essay writing---did no teacher ever point that out to you?

Like the lawyers on this board so often say that they do not compose posts for legal audiences, I do not write academic journal-ready opening posts, and, from what I've seen neither do you. That is okay, however, because this is an informal message board, not an academic thesis defense.

And, beyond the OP you seemed only interested in batting down other's points with half-sentence "answers" aimed at shutting down discussion, not developing a deep analysis of Smith's character or early Mormon history. That you diddled around over the word "armed" is, well, intellectually scandalous.

Scratch et al. were implying that Joseph Smith went into Carthage carrying a weapon, intending to use it. This is not the case.

In some ways Simon, I think I'm a better Mormon that you are. At least I find the idea of man becoming elevated to Godhood, an exaltation far beyond other forms of salvation, astonishing beautiful and moving. I guess you think otherwise.

I do not think otherwise. That is our ultimate destiny. The fact that CamNC4Me degrades it as "a man god with polygamous wifes who has sex with them all day blah blah blah" is highly offensive, because it isn't what we believe.

[_Simon Belmont]

Oh? What way did I "think it was"?

You thought it was an actual, sit-down-together meeting concerning FAIR.

Newsflash: If Scott had a meeting with a general authority, so did I.

[_Simon Belmont]

Goddamnit. Jesus Christ. You never stop, Simon. You are like a river that never ends. Can't you go do something else for a while -- like have sex, or take care of you your kids, or do some home teaching -- or something -- anything? Jeezus.

Paul O

Paul... my average posts per day have gone down. Take a look!

[_Doctor Scratch]

Oh? What way did I "think it was"?

You thought it was an actual, sit-down-together meeting concerning FAIR.

Newsflash: If Scott had a meeting with a general authority, so did I.

Where did I say that I thought it "was an actual, sit-down-together meeting concerning FAIR."? Is that really what I said, Simon? Or was I speculating?

[_Simon Belmont]

I never saw that coming. Talk about original.

How many times has this exchange occurred? It is like an infinite echo machine.

And yet again, for the umpteen-thousandth time, an apologist tells an apostate s/he did not understand Mormonism.

Yawn.

You've been nothing but cynical lately. Is everything alright at home?

Do you believe that Dr. Cam's interpretation of Mormon Doctrine on this thread is representative of actual Mormon Doctrine?

[_Blixa]

Like the lawyers on this board so often say that they do not compose posts for legal audiences, I do not write academic journal-ready opening posts, and, from what I've seen neither do you. That is okay, however, because this is an informal message board, not an academic thesis defense.

Simon...you should be able to write at a level beyond someone who is failing Freshman English. Even on a message board. My posts are indicative of my scholarly and intellectual background whether or not I am writing a publishable journal article in every post.

Scratch et al. were implying that Joseph Smith went into Carthage carrying a weapon, intending to use it. This is not the case.

No they weren't. I think you need to slow down and read more carefully. You'll learn more.

I do not think otherwise. That is our ultimate destiny. The fact that CamNC4Me degrades it as "a man god with polygamous wifes who has sex with them all day blah blah blah" is highly offensive, because it isn't what we believe.

It is what you believe, you just didn't like the snarky and offensive way he described it.

[_Yoda]

These people actually believe in a man-god that lives on a planet with his polygamous wives making babies. For eternity. And they believe they can become just like him.

And this is why apostates become apostates. They have absolutely no idea what we believe. If First Sergeant Gottagetinshape actually believes that Mormons believe what he claims, he is more dim than I imagines him to be.

Simon, what is your view regarding the doctrine of plural marriage? If you believe D&C Section 132 to be completely accurate, then, as crudely as Cam put it, that is, in essence, part of our doctrine and what we believe.

I happen to think that in light of what President Hinckley stated on various occasions that there are some significant problems with that portion of our canon, and, it honestly needs to be ratified.

[_TAO]

Well it is what you believe, you just didn't like the snarky way he described it.

Acutually, it is inaccurate in two ways.

1) All Day Long. No.

2) Said in a way to convey a message about the attitude of it which it doesn't exist

The snarky comments read between the lines are considered inaccuracies alongside with the actual statements in my mind.