Health Care Update

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JAK wrote:.


That is, by far, the most intelligent thing you've ever written. I encourage more of the same from you.
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What are the offensive elements of 'Obamacare'?


I think that GOP Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota recently explains the Problems associated with 'Obamacare' well.

T-Paw fights to limit Obamacare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjXBkUidPY

T-Paw on FOX News with Neil Cavuto Discussing Executive Order Limiting Obamacare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1k7g_d5oj4
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I agree basically with the GOP California Senate Candidate Carly Fiorina’s Position on Health Care.

Here it is:

“While our nation’s health care system is in need of reform, the legislation passed today is an example of the ‘cure’ being worse than the disease. It is a patchwork of Washington insider deals, and it will cost California taxpayers millions, if not billions, of dollars we cannot afford…[Instead,] let’s take a step back and fix specific problems with specific solutions that have bipartisan support.” - Carly Fiorina

Carly believes strongly that every American should have access to quality, affordable health care. Through her own experiences, she has seen both the good and the bad of our nation’s health care system, and it has given her a very keen perspective on what we can do to better connect doctors and increase quality, while also lowering costs.

In particular, Carly believes it’s essential that decisions about care stay in the hands of patients, their families and their doctors. To improve quality while also lowering costs, Washington should focus on passing bipartisan reforms that are known to be effective, such as encouraging competition in the health insurance market, cracking down on frivolous lawsuits and ensuring no one is denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

Instead, Democrats forced through a health care overhaul plan that will cost taxpayers at least $940 billion over 10 years in the form of higher premiums, increased taxes and more government spending. The legislation signed into law by President Obama does not focus on patients or on quality care, which is why Carly has pledged to help repeal it and replace it with true reform that lowers costs and improves quality without growing government.


Link: http://www.carlyforca.com/issues/healthcare/


Again, The Bipartisanship came in opposition to the ‘Obamacare’ bill within the House of Representatives when 32 Democrats joined all 178 Republicans to Not vote for the bill.
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Brackite wrote:I agree basically with the GOP California Senate Candidate Carly Fiorina’s Position on Health Care.

Here it is:

“While our nation’s health care system is in need of reform, the legislation passed today is an example of the ‘cure’ being worse than the disease. It is a patchwork of Washington insider deals, and it will cost California taxpayers millions, if not billions, of dollars we cannot afford…[Instead,] let’s take a step back and fix specific problems with specific solutions that have bipartisan support.” - Carly Fiorina

Carly believes strongly that every American should have access to quality, affordable health care. Through her own experiences, she has seen both the good and the bad of our nation’s health care system, and it has given her a very keen perspective on what we can do to better connect doctors and increase quality, while also lowering costs.

In particular, Carly believes it’s essential that decisions about care stay in the hands of patients, their families and their doctors. To improve quality while also lowering costs, Washington should focus on passing bipartisan reforms that are known to be effective, such as encouraging competition in the health insurance market, cracking down on frivolous lawsuits and ensuring no one is denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

Instead, Democrats forced through a health care overhaul plan that will cost taxpayers at least $940 billion over 10 years in the form of higher premiums, increased taxes and more government spending. The legislation signed into law by President Obama does not focus on patients or on quality care, which is why Carly has pledged to help repeal it and replace it with true reform that lowers costs and improves quality without growing government.


Link: http://www.carlyforca.com/issues/healthcare/


Again, The Bipartisanship came in opposition to the ‘Obamacare’ bill within the House of Representatives when 32 Democrats joined all 178 Republicans to Not vote for the bill.


There is absolutely no substance to the position - just objections.
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The Following is From Yahoo News:


Fla. judge strikes down Obama health care overhaul


By MELISSA NELSON, Associated Press Melissa Nelson, Associated Press – Mon Jan 31, 6:53 pm ET

PENSACOLA, Fla. – A federal judge declared the Obama administration's health care overhaul unconstitutional Monday, siding with 26 states that argued people cannot be required to buy health insurance.

Senior U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson agreed with the states that the new law violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties. He went a step further than a previous ruling against the law, declaring the entire thing unconstitutional if the insurance requirement does not hold up.

Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law and that the case should be dismissed.

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said Monday the department strongly disagrees with Vinson's ruling and intends to appeal.

"There is clear and well-established legal precedent that Congress acted within its constitutional authority in passing this law and we are confident that we will ultimately prevail on appeal," she said in a statement.

The final step will almost certainly be the U.S. Supreme Court. Two other federal judges have already upheld the law and a federal judge in Virginia ruled the insurance mandate unconstitutional but stopped short of voiding the entire thing.

At issue was whether the government is reaching beyond its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce by requiring citizens to purchase health insurance or face tax penalties.

Vinson, who was appointed to federal bench by Ronald Reagan in 1983, said it is, writing in his 78-page ruling that if the government can require people to buy health insurance, it could also regulate food the same way.

"Or, as discussed during oral argument, Congress could require that people buy and consume broccoli at regular intervals," he wrote, "Not only because the required purchases will positively impact interstate commerce, but also because people who eat healthier tend to be healthier, and are thus more productive and put less of a strain on the health care system."

Obama administration attorneys had argued that health care is part of the interstate commerce system. They said the government can impose a tax penalty on Americans who decide not to purchase health insurance because all Americans are consumers of medical care.

But attorneys for the states said the administration was essentially coercing them into participating in the overhaul by holding billions of Medicaid dollars hostage. The states also said the federal government is violating the Constitution by forcing a mandate on the states without providing money to pay for it.

Vinson said the courts have generally not accepted similar arguments about Medicaid as a violation of state sovereignty and that the states did not provide enough evidence in this case.

"I appreciate the difficult situation in which the states find themselves," he wrote. "It is a matter of historical fact that at the time the Constitution was drafted and ratified, the Founders did not expect that the federal government would be able to provide sizable funding to the states and, consequently, be able to exert power over the state to the extent that it currently does."

He said that the only way the states would have legal standing to claim the Medicaid portion of the law is coercion would be for the Supreme Court to change the Constitution.

"Unless and until that happens, the states have little recourse to remaining the very junior partner in this partnership," Vinson wrote.

Still, opponents of the health overhaul praised his decision Monday afternoon. House Speaker John Boehner said it shows Senate Democrats should follow a House vote to repeal the law.

"Today's decision affirms the view, held by most of the states and a majority of the American people, that the federal government should not be in the business of forcing you to buy health insurance and punishing you if you don't," he said in a statement.

Democrats just as quickly slammed the ruling.

"This lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt by those who want to raise taxes on small businesses, increase prescription prices for seniors and allow insurance companies to once again deny sick children medical care," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a prepared statement.

Former Florida Republican Attorney General Bill McCollum filed the lawsuit just minutes after President Barack Obama signed the 10-year, $938 billion health care bill into law in March. He chose a court in Pensacola, one of Florida's most conservative cities. The nation's most influential small business lobby, the National Federation of Independent Business, also joined.

Officials in the states that sued lauded Vinson's decision. Almost all of them have Republican governors, attorneys general or both.

"In making his ruling, the judge has confirmed what many of us knew from the start; ObamaCare is an unprecedented and unconstitutional infringement on the liberty of the American people," Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott said in a statement.

Other states that joined the suit are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.



Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110131/ap_ ... h_overhaul
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I suspect those fighting tooth and nail to remove health care for those others would also fight tooth and nail to maintain health care for themselves.
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Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare mandate:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/appeals-court- ... 29777.html


A list of particulars: What's wrong with the HC bill:
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1871361
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