Who is Wade Englund?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[_wenglund]

Seriously, though, isn't Wade "fishing" in the Mormon pool? And these are the type of women he meets so regularly that he feels justified using such pejorative terms to describe women?

Hey, Mormon women: let your light so shine!! :D

I am deeply honored that Beastie has decided to come out of retirement just to savagely misconstrue my comments. No one does it better. Her condescension is both humbling and nostalgic.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_schreech]

I am deeply honored that Beastie has decided to come out of retirement just to savagely misconstrue my comments. No one does it better. Her condescention is both humbling and nostalgic.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

If I had to tell people that they don't understand (or are misconstruing) my posts as often as you do, I think I would consider the possibility that I am the problem. My guess is that your inability to communicate clearly and then your habit of blaming respondents is contributing to your marital status...Just a thought...

[_thews]

Which character traits are you referring to?

Overly dramatic, vane, gossipy, and catty.

Wade, I like you. I don't know why, but I do. We all know the Mormon game where the woman seeks the uber Mormon to hitch onto. You would qualify as that uber Mormon, so by Mormon logic you are in fact a catch... My husband is Wade Englund. ... let's not kid ourselves.

They also tend to embrace the worst aspects of men: promiscuous, unfaithful, abusive, and self-centered.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

You know Wade, what's wrong with promiscuous women? Wouldn't that mean that they enjoyed sex? In your exploits to explain the human sexuality mindset from a Mormon perspective, what is wrong with this? How can you champion a cause you have no knowledge of? If 1% of the population is asexual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality, then wouldn't the fact that a person who chose to remain celibate into their latter day years probably qualify? In other words, if you are "holding out" for the right woman, wouldn't the fact that holding out for this long categorize you as at least somewhat asexual?

[_wenglund]

If I had to tell people that they don't understand (or are misconstruing) my posts as often as you do, I think I would consider the possibility that I am the problem. My guess is that your inability to communicate clearly and then your habit of blaming respondents is contributing to your marital status...Just a thought...

If I generally don't have to tell people that they are misconstruing what I say (which I don't), but tend only to find myself, as well as other believers, in that unpleasant situation among a small group of vocal disbelievers and aggitators against my faith, it is reasonable to consider the distinct probability that the problem lay with them. The "problem", in such cases, isn't so much with miscommunications (which are reasonably expected to occur from time to time and may be the fault of all parties--including me), but the inability to correct the mis-communications when they occur due not only to a remarkable unwillingness on their part to listen and understand (typical for closed minds), but also a seeming pathology to speak for me and put words into my mouth, absurdly thinking they know better than me what I mean and say. By far, no one over the years has been a worse offender than Beastie. She is nothing short of phenominal.

But, enough about her and them. This thread is devoted specifically to me, and I don't wish to detract further from that topic. LOL

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Wade, I like you. I don't know why, but I do. We all know the Mormon game where the woman seeks the uber Mormon to hitch onto. You would qualify as that uber Mormon, so by Mormon logic you are in fact a catch... My husband is Wade Englund. ... let's not kid ourselves.

It is kind of you to consider me an "uber Moromon" and a "catch."

You know Wade, what's wrong with promiscuous women? Wouldn't that mean that they enjoyed sex? In your exploits to explain the human sexuality mindset from a Mormon perspective, what is wrong with this?

To be clear, I made no mention of promiscuous women. I was speaking about men. But, in answer to your question, to me promiscuity, particularly in the case of women, has less to do with liking sex and more to do with them not thinking very highly of themselves.

How can you champion a cause you have no knowledge of?

Absence of participation does not equal absence of knowledge.

If 1% of the population is asexual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality, then wouldn't the fact that a person who chose to remain celibate into their latter day years probably qualify? In other words, if you are "holding out" for the right woman, wouldn't the fact that holding out for this long categorize you as at least somewhat asexual?

Absence of sexual encounters does not equal asexuality, though absence of sexual attraction and desire for such encounters does. In my case, there isn't an absense of such attraction and desire for women, and so I don't qualify for the 1%.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[Guest]

You know Wade, what's wrong with promiscuous women? Wouldn't that mean that they enjoyed sex? In your exploits to explain the human sexuality mindset from a Mormon perspective, what is wrong with this?

To be clear, I made no mention of promiscuous women. I was speaking about men. But, in answer to your question, to me promiscuity, particularly in the case of women, has less to do with liking sex and more to do with them not thinking very highly of themselves.

Let me refer you to the previous page. When describing what traits you don't like in a woman you wrote:

They also tend to embrace the worst aspects of men: promiscuous, unfaithful, abusive, and self-centered.

20 questions time again....

By "they" you clearly meant women.
Unless of course you were talking about cats or dogs?
Oh, there I go putting words in your mouth.

Let's call this example number 53 showing your inability to communicate with clear and descriptive terms - then going back on what you originally said by saying you didn't say it. I see a general authority calling in your future. lol.

My suggestion that you cruise psychic fairs to find a compatable female still holds.

Good Luck to you.

[_harmony]

Absence of participation does not equal absence of knowledge.

Well, as far as anything useful, yes, it does. Book learnin' isn't much help, when it comes to actual practice.

Makes me wonder if you were avoiding the possibility of fathering children, instead of avoiding the emotional proximity with one woman.

[_harmony]

I see a general authority calling in your future.

Not unless he gets married.

[_beastie]

If I generally don't have to tell people that they are misconstruing what I say (which I don't), but tend only to find myself, as well as other believers, in that unpleasant situation among a small group of vocal disbelievers and aggitators against my faith, it is reasonable to consider the distinct probability that the problem lay with them. The "problem", in such cases, isn't so much with miscommunications (which are reasonably expected to occur from time to time and may be the fault of all parties--including me), but the inability to correct the mis-communications when they occur due not only to a remarkable unwillingness on their part to listen and understand (typical for closed minds), but also a seeming pathology to speak for me and put words into my mouth, absurdly thinking they know better than me what I mean and say. By far, no one over the years has been a worse offender than Beastie. She is nothing short of phenominal.

But, enough about her and them. This thread is devoted specifically to me, and I don't wish to detract further from that topic. LOL

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

What is always amusing about your cry "you have misconstrued my words" is that you rarely clarify what, then, you really intended by your words. in my opinion, you rarely do so because there really is no misunderstanding - you just were being sloppy and allowing the "real" Wade to show. What is also amusing is that my only comment was: Gee, I'm surprised you haven't found a wife, after doing nothing more than quoting your OWN words.

Let's look at the "real" Wade in your words again:

To make matters worse, the gay men I am familiar with tend to embrace rather than eshew the things about women that I find repelling.

When asked, you provided the "things about women that you find repelling."

Overly dramatic, vane, gossipy, and catty.

They also tend to embrace the worst aspects of men: promiscuous, unfaithful, abusive, and self-centered.

To which I replied: Gee, I'm surprised you haven't found a wife, and you immediately cried foul.

Sadly for you, Wade, words mean something. There is no room for doubt in your words. You attached the repellent character traits of "overly dramatic, vain, gossipy, and catty", along with the tendency to "embrace" promiscuous, unfaithful, abusive, and self-centered men" to women. You can't even spin your way out of it, so instead you just protest that I misconstrued your words, without bothering to clarify.

So what is the spin, Wade? Is it really only a very SMALL percentage of women you've met you demonstrate these repellent characteristics? If so, why in the world would you attach these characteristics to women (and gay men) in general?

Here's a little secret in life: healthy women tend to not want to be with men who dislike women.

by the way, some of you are misunderstanding one part of Wade's post. He wasn't saying women are promiscuous. He's saying women are attracted to promiscuous men.

In regards to the primary question in this thread, I'll just say one thing: I've never met a straight man who was obsessed enough with male homosexuality to start a "foundation", or whatever he called it, to study the issue (and, of course, the foundation had one member: Wade), run a website about the issue, and go to discussion boards expressly designated for gay men to try and "save" them. If Wade does, in fact, struggle with "same-sex attraction", then it is a tragedy, because he is filled with self-loathing.