Who is Wade Englund?

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_Blixa
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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EAllusion wrote:So this was you Blixa?

Mr. Englund:

I have no idea what you've actually read. I read through this entire thread and your "anti-bigotry" website to try to determine that, but came up empty (though I did note some references to "college textbooks" as sources for your grounding concepts. You do realize that textbooks only give simplistic summaries of ideas, and sometimes innaccurate ones at that, don't you?).

I suspect you have read some book which describes a volume called "The Authoritarian Personality." While Adorno did participate in the making of this work, it is extremely uncharacteristic, if not nearly antithetical, of his work in general.

First of all----Adorno is NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST.

"or example, as Adorno and other psychologists have theorized, if one is raised in a rigid authoritarian environment (whether real or perceived), where love is conditional, that may cause one to be continually self-conscious of one's ignorance and inabilities, thereby potentially exacerbating, rather than allaying, feelings of frustration, bewilderment, fear, insecurity, weakness, helplessness, and loss of control. "

I don't know what you are quoting or referencing, but whoever came up with that description is insane.

Adorno is a marxist cultural theorist whose work was often produced in collaboration with the group of german intellectuals known as the Frankfurt School. The focus of his work was philosopy, culture and aesthetics. While he sometimes made use of the general conceptual appratus of Freudian psychoanalysis, he was very critical of mainstream psychology, seeing it as a bourgeois tool for producing conformity.

For Adorno and the rest of the Frankfurt School, the most urgent task facing intellectuals was an analysis of fascism---not only in the form it took in 1930's Germany, Nazism, but also the fascistic potental latent in contemporary so-called democracies, foremost of all, the United States. Their work drew on an economic account of fascism as one of the crisis modes of capitalism (a method of dealing with surplus labor) as well as a critique of the authoritarian and conformist tendencies in capitalist mass culture (which produces a surface "variety" of products and choices that masks the political limits of a society organized purely around profit).

The members of the Frankfurt School were forced to flee Germany with the outbreak of WWII (most of them were Jews, although not religious). Adorno, along with the bulk of the group, ended up in the United States---where they found they had exchanged a blatant authoritarian society for a tacit one.

While in the U.S., the sociologist Max Horkheimer, who Adorno worked with closely throughout his career, became interested in the methodolgies deployed by the American branch of the discipline---specifically the use of empirical studies and research. Although more sceptical of empiricism, Adorno agreed to work with the American Jewish Committee's Department of Scientific Research on one volume of their "Studies in Prejudice" largely because Horkheimer had been chosen director of the Department.

Adorno contributed to some of the general analysis of data found in "The Authoritarian Personality," but the bulk of the work was done by Nevitt Sanford, Daniel Levinson and Else Frenkel-Brunswik of the Berkeley Public Opinion Study Group. He was ambivalent at best about the results, feeling that the volume contributed to a dangerous understanding of "authoritarianism" as primarily individual or subjective in cause, rather than political or institutional.

Despite its fetishization of the personal questionaire, "The Authoritarian Personality" does yield some intriguing insights with which Adorno agreed. Over and over again it associates "authoritarianism" with conservative politics, hierarchal organizations and any structure which demands its members uncritically follow the leader.

The "authoritarian personality" is also defined by the individual's desire to be part of institutions which offer ready-made "cosmic" explanations of existence and that micro-manage member's time and daliy lives. According to the study, the desire for an "absolute security" or "safety" becomes dangerously congruent with conformity.

All in all, "The Authoritarian Personality" describes institutions and psychological phenomena that are more characteristic of the LDS Church than of its critics.

Furthermore, in all his writing, even in his aesthetic theory, Adorno is most explictly critical of what he calls "identity thinking"---the supression of heterogeneity in the name of identity. Any philosophical, political or cultural system that ultimately seeks to change that which different to that which is same, is emphatically rejected by Adorno.

A religion which has as one of its aims the eventual conversion by proxy baptism of every person in human history is an Adornonian nightmare of totalizing identification, a literalization of the fear of another Frankfurt School theorist of the authoritarian, Walter Benjamin, that "even the dead will not be safe from the enemy."

I hope it is clear that to summon Adorno's name in the cause of demonizing those who reject a hierarchical system like Mormonism betrays an utter incomprehension of anything and everything Adorno ever wrote. The whole project outlined in both this thread and your website, that of smearing anti-authoritarians and anti-fundamentalists as themselves fundamentalist authoritarians, is the kind of work Adorno devoted his life to negating.


Heh.

http://pacumenispages.yuku.com/reply/20 ... ply-200283


Hahahah. Yep. You know, I almost dug that up and posted it myself.
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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Har. At least I'm not the only one dredging up old Wade posts. It's just that he's given us such a cornucopia of delicious morsels to choose from, it's almost impossible to abstain.

I'm sure Blixa misunderstood Wade, anyway.
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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Wow. Hard to believe, but it appears the links to Wade on the gay boards still work. The links can be accessed here:

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... a&start=21
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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Kevin Graham wrote: I would simply advise Mormons that it is in their interest, and within God's power, for them to rise above their demonstrably unhealthy inclinations and seek after healthy relations geared to eventually result in a fulness of love and joy.

Feeling offended yet?


Why on earth would I be offended by that? To be offended, I would need to not only give it creedance (I don't), but also be convinced that it was meant to offend. In my case, it wasn't. I can't be sure with you.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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stemelbow wrote:... although he does make some good points quite frequently....


As much as I hate responding to your nonsense...CFR....
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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Evidently, the good folks here are under the impression that citing an old post from Blixa is somehow dredging up old posts from me. Fascinating.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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wenglund wrote:Evidently, the good folks here are under the impression that citing an old post from Blixa is somehow dredging up old posts from me. Fascinating.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I linked the thread wherein you make the arguments that Blixa, for lack of a better term, hate-raped.
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

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EAllusion wrote:
I linked the thread wherein you make the arguments that Blixa, for lack of a better term, hate-raped.


The exchange between Gad and Wade on that thread is priceless.
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

Post by _wenglund »

Since there appears to be an interest in dredging up old threads about me (as though I am the one begging for attention), how about posting a link to the thread in which I engaged in self-depricating humor--you know, the one where the jokes started out being about me, but ended up inadvertantly being about the few good folks here that seemed not to grasp that some of us were just joking.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Re: Who is Wade Englund?

Post by _Doctor Scratch »

You know, I've wondered for a while how Wade's experience with a Church disciplinary court figures into all of this. I've always kind of assumed that it had something to do with this whole same-sex attraction thing, though my assumptions could be wrong. In any case, here's the old thread where Wade's Church Court was discussed:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=846&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

He says that he was doing something "in private," but that it had begun to "affect" outsiders somehow. Hmmmm..... What could this be?
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