Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Eric]

Eric, why do you think Will would have needed to alter the forum's code in order to communicate the C-word?

The C-word would have been automatically censored by the board software if he just typed it out directly. I just don't see him adding spaces or misspelling it on purpose so that it could be seen in its uncensored form. I really doubt he made an effort to make sure the C-word was read by all without asterisks. But I could be wrong.

And if you listen to what Will's account entails, it is pretty ridiculous. Do you really think harmony would censor his post for simply calling her a hypocrite and embarrassment? This has to be among the least offensive things Will has ever said, and yet it created a firestorm of protests from numerous posters? Not likely.

I definitely get what you're saying, and I believe he said something much worse than a hypocrite and an embarrassment. I think he doesn't remember what he said, which is understandable since the post is gone now. I have no doubt that it was mean and extremely offensive. I just don't know if I believe that he used the C-word.

[_Kevin Graham]

The C-word would have been automatically censored by the board software if he just typed it out directly. I just don't see him adding spaces or misspelling it on purpose so that it could be seen in its uncensored form. I really doubt he made an effort to make sure the C-word was read by all without asterisks. But I could be wrong.

Oh OK, I get what you're saying now. The thing is, I think Will is exactly the kind of person who puts a lot of detailed effort in his posts.

And from what I've seen, the forum software only edits out the letters after the first letter. So he wouldn't really need to do much except write it out like he would normally for everyone to understand what he meant - there's not too many four lettered, filtered words beginning with C.

I don't recall exactly how he typed it out, but Mr. Stak says he remembers him typing out each letter spaced out in bold text. I don't even remember what it was he said exactly, but I do remember it was very harsh, and it wasn't what Will claims, which tells me he is lying from his end already.

[_Dad of a Mormon]

The C-word would have been automatically censored by the board software if he just typed it out directly. I just don't see him adding spaces or misspelling it on purpose so that it could be seen in its uncensored form. I really doubt he made an effort to make sure the C-word was read by all without asterisks. But I could be wrong.

Well, Stak remembers specifically how it was written. Will is a smart guy. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that he would know that straight profanity would be censored automatically. So why wouldn't he put spaces in the word to make sure that it can be seen?

You seem to be hung up on the fact that it would take an "effort", as though Will would just give up after seeing that the board censored it. What ever you might say about Will, he doesn't strike me as one who would not do something because it requires a little effort.

[_Eric]

Well, Stak remembers specifically how it was written. Will is a smart guy. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that he would know that straight profanity would be censored automatically. So why wouldn't he put spaces in the word to make sure that it can be seen?

Stak and Spurven's testimony is - by far - the most difficult part about this for me. All that aside, I have to ask myself why Will would want the C-word to be uncensored.

You seem to be hung up on the fact that it would take an "effort", as though Will would just give up after seeing that the board censored it. What ever you might say about Will, he doesn't strike me as one who would not do something because it requires a little effort.

I'm hung up on the fact that it doesn't seem like something he would do. As Kevin mentioned, it's pretty obvious what the word is even with the three asterisks. So why do something to ensure that such an ugly word is uncensored? It doesn't make any sense to me.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Stak and Spurven's testimony is - by far - the most difficult part about this for me. All that aside, I have to ask myself why Will would want the C-word to be uncensored.

Hey Eric,

It shouldn’t. I don’t think anything will change if we all some how come to consensus about this specific issue. My testimony on it is what it is, and hardly makes a dent (positive or negative) in the case MsJack laid out in her OP(s). I imagine we all made up our minds already about Will, so go with your gut. I take zero offense if you find what I have to say persuasive or not, because the matter is trivial and has zero to do with our friendship.

I’m not an unbiased observer, granted I hardly know anything about the KEP or Will’s work with it, I don’t like the guy at all and that is probably pretty obvious. I prefer to let Will show everyone himself what kind of person he is instead of taking my word for it.

[_Buffalo]

I'm hung up on the fact that it doesn't seem like something he would do. As Kevin mentioned, it's pretty obvious what the word is even with the three asterisks. So why do something to ensure that such an ugly word is uncensored? It doesn't make any sense to me.

We are talking about Will here, aren't we?

[_Eric]

I'm hung up on the fact that it doesn't seem like something he would do. As Kevin mentioned, it's pretty obvious what the word is even with the three asterisks. So why do something to ensure that such an ugly word is uncensored? It doesn't make any sense to me.

We are talking about Will here, aren't we?

I'm not making a statement about what kind of language Will uses, or how he behaves. I'm just saying that I don't see a motive for making sure the word wasn't censored.

[_Eric]

Hey Eric,

It shouldn’t. I don’t think anything will change if we all some how come to consensus about this specific issue. My testimony on it is what it is, and hardly makes a dent (positive or negative) in the case MsJack laid out in her OP(s). I imagine we all made up our minds already about Will, so go with your gut. I take zero offense if you find what I have to say persuasive or not, because the matter is trivial and has zero to do with our friendship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-zzmCmMVI

[_Silver Hammer]

Here's a question: to what extent do people think that Will's comments re: Maxwell Institute people "yukking it up" are plausible? LoaP has said that people on the FAIR list never said anything, but then again, were they ever made aware of this stuff? Would some of the female members---like Jan and Juliann---find it offensive, or would they consider it to be OK since it was directed at old nemeses like Harmony and Beastie?

Frankly, I think it's a tough call, but I err on the side of "believable," given the MI Mopologists' long history of attack, locker-room antics, and what have you. After Skinny-L, "Metcalfe is Butthead," "Korihor has a press," Midgley's "You still selling books by that queer," mockery of the Jewish wedding ceremony, and Hamblin's K-word-laced rant, I'm kind of thinking that Will's claim holds water. So many of these MI apologists have been so utterly hell-bent on revenge for so many years that I rather suspect that they *would* find these kinds of attacks "funny." Heck, these are the people who found it amusing to dig through and post the gruesome details of Walter Martin's death report. Plus, they represent the ancien regime of Mopologetics, and they grew up on GA talks that characterized a "woman's role" in a way that the new, Bokovoy-headed vanguard seems less likely to accept.

So: a tough call. I think that LoaP is right to put pressure on the powers-that-be, regardless.

Could I trouble you to point me to where Will has said MI people are “yukking it up” about his behavior on this bulletin board?

Thank you.

[_Buffalo]

I'm not making a statement about what kind of language Will uses, or how he behaves. I'm just saying that I don't see a motive for making sure the word wasn't censored.

Sorry, I don't see why he WOULDN'T.