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Who actually published the Journal of Discourses? Was it a publication of the LDS church at the time or an independent outfit like Seagull today?
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Re: Journal of Discourses
'The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It includes practical advice as well as doctrinal discussion, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.'
<current statement on LDS.org>
Although 'back in the day' The First Presidency did officially endorse it...
“Dear Brethren—It is well known to many of you, that Elder George D. Watt, by our counsel, spent much time in the midst of poverty and hardships to acquire the art of reporting in Phonography [shorthand], which he has faithfully and fully accomplished; and he has been reporting the public Sermons, Discourses, Lectures delivered by the Presidency, the Twelve, and others in this city, for nearly two years, almost without fee or reward. Elder Watt now proposes to publish a Journal of these reports, in England, for the benefit of the Saints at large, and to obtain means to enable him to sustain his highly useful position of Reporter. You will perceive at once that this will be a work of mutual benefit, and we cheerfully and warmly request your cooperation in the purchase and sale of the above named Journal, and wish all the profits arising therefrom to be under the control of Elder Watt.” (Signed by Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Willard Richards.)
'I Have A Question' Gerald E. Jones, director, LDS Institute of Religion, Berkeley, California
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So...it was official and now it's not official - clear now...?
<current statement on LDS.org>
Although 'back in the day' The First Presidency did officially endorse it...
“Dear Brethren—It is well known to many of you, that Elder George D. Watt, by our counsel, spent much time in the midst of poverty and hardships to acquire the art of reporting in Phonography [shorthand], which he has faithfully and fully accomplished; and he has been reporting the public Sermons, Discourses, Lectures delivered by the Presidency, the Twelve, and others in this city, for nearly two years, almost without fee or reward. Elder Watt now proposes to publish a Journal of these reports, in England, for the benefit of the Saints at large, and to obtain means to enable him to sustain his highly useful position of Reporter. You will perceive at once that this will be a work of mutual benefit, and we cheerfully and warmly request your cooperation in the purchase and sale of the above named Journal, and wish all the profits arising therefrom to be under the control of Elder Watt.” (Signed by Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Willard Richards.)
'I Have A Question' Gerald E. Jones, director, LDS Institute of Religion, Berkeley, California
<Quote also taken off LDS.org>
So...it was official and now it's not official - clear now...?
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Re: Journal of Discourses
Joseph wrote:Who actually published the Journal of Discourses? Was it a publication of the LDS church at the time or an independent outfit like Seagull today?
Ever heard of Google?
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Re: Journal of Discourses
jon wrote:'The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It includes practical advice as well as doctrinal discussion, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest.'
<current statement on LDS.org>
Although 'back in the day' The First Presidency did officially endorse it...
“Dear Brethren—It is well known to many of you, that Elder George D. Watt, by our counsel, spent much time in the midst of poverty and hardships to acquire the art of reporting in Phonography [shorthand], which he has faithfully and fully accomplished; and he has been reporting the public Sermons, Discourses, Lectures delivered by the Presidency, the Twelve, and others in this city, for nearly two years, almost without fee or reward. Elder Watt now proposes to publish a Journal of these reports, in England, for the benefit of the Saints at large, and to obtain means to enable him to sustain his highly useful position of Reporter. You will perceive at once that this will be a work of mutual benefit, and we cheerfully and warmly request your cooperation in the purchase and sale of the above named Journal, and wish all the profits arising therefrom to be under the control of Elder Watt.” (Signed by Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Willard Richards.)
'I Have A Question' Gerald E. Jones, director, LDS Institute of Religion, Berkeley, California
<Quote also taken off LDS.org>
So...it was official and now it's not official - clear now...?
From the intro to Volume 8:
George Q Cannon (then an apostle) wrote:The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded saint will certainly welcome with joy every number(issue) as it comes forth.
I know, I know, one apostle saying something one time does not make it so.
But it is an interesting indication of the esteem in which it was held in the 1860s, when it was published.
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Re: Journal of Discourses
Whether it was "official" or not, does anyone doubt the accuracy of the transcribed words? Since they were endorsed by the apostles at the time, can we assume the transcribed sermons actually occurred more or less as written? That's good enough for me.
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Re: Journal of Discourses
DarkHelmet wrote:Whether it was "official" or not, does anyone doubt the accuracy of the transcribed words? Since they were endorsed by the apostles at the time, can we assume the transcribed sermons actually occurred more or less as written? That's good enough for me.
Maybe. Or maybe like how the talks sometimes get changed between delivery over the GC pulpit and publishing in the Ensign.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Re: Journal of Discourses
The Journal of Discourses:
http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/
The Journal of Discourses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses
The Journal of Discourses - Mere Opinions or Eternal Truth?:
http://mrm.org/journal-of-discourses
http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/
The Journal of Discourses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses
The Journal of Discourses - Mere Opinions or Eternal Truth?:
http://mrm.org/journal-of-discourses
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Re: Journal of Discourses
Simon Belmont wrote:Joseph wrote:Who actually published the Journal of Discourses? Was it a publication of the LDS church at the time or an independent outfit like Seagull today?
Ever heard of Google?

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.