Proof Of Everything

[_Nightlion]

Nobody is all bad (a.k.a. devil) or all good (a.k.a. angel). People are cerebral creatures with complex motives.

Interesting that you all cannot help but echo my point. Truth is a stubborn thing to deny. How ironic after all that the act of denying God is the most certain proof of God's existence.

[_Some Schmo]

How ironic after all that the act of denying God is the most certain proof of God's existence.

See, this is what I'm talking about. It's this kind of nutty that makes me come back for more.

How ironic after all that the act of denying Santa is the most certain proof of Santa's existence.

How ironic after all that the act of denying dragons is the most certain proof of dragons' existence.

How ironic after all that the act of denying the Tooth Fairy is the most certain proof of the Tooth Fairy's existence.

Wow... it works in every case. How could anyone deny that?

[_Nightlion]

Wow... it works in every case. How could anyone deny that?

There is no demonstrable effect of Santa, Easter Bunny and the like. Poor rationale.

We are singular and yet we act in a duality shift.

We are not good. And we are not evil.

Luke 18: 19
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

We do, however, manifest the effect of both. And that on a global/universal scale. Such observation must conclude that a spiritual influence for both exists. And that influence is a constant. I do not concede that good and evil are equal. The ignorance of man favors evil and thereby a little bit of evil can leaven the whole lump. And conversely the predisposition of man resists the greater presence and influence for good.

The evolutionary model cannot account for this observation. Neither can it account for how one species is responsive to these influences while all others are not. This selection of one demonstrates no randomness but a composed orchestration by purposeful intent. Thus invalidating the whole of evolutionary thought.

The proof of everything. I should write a book.

[_Some Schmo]

Wow... it works in every case. How could anyone deny that?

There is no demonstrable effect of Santa, Easter Bunny and the like. Poor rationale.

Not true. Santa brings presents. The Easter Bunny brings eggs. The Tooth Fairy brings cash. God brings good and evil. I mean, if we're going to falsely attribute certain things to certain fantasy creatures, let's go all the way.

I should write a book.

Yeah, you write some pretty fun fiction; I'll give you that, big guy.

[_Nightlion]

There is no demonstrable effect of Santa, Easter Bunny and the like. Poor rationale.

Not true. Santa brings presents. The Easter Bunny brings eggs. The Tooth Fairy brings cash. God brings good and evil. I mean, if we're going to falsely attribute certain things to certain fantasy creatures, let's go all the way.

I should write a book.

Yeah, you write some pretty fun fiction; I'll give you that, big guy.

I straighten things out and you mess it up again. Sheesh Schmo?

[_CaliforniaKid]

Violence and cooperation can each be evolutionarily advantageous under different circumstances. That is why humans have both impulses. The good news is that as the world gets smaller, the utility of violence is diminishing. Thus, I think, why we see the proliferation of moral memes that help us suppress our primal violence.

[_Nightlion]

Violence and cooperation can each be evolutionarily advantageous under different circumstances. That is why humans have both impulses. The good news is that as the world gets smaller, the utility of violence is diminishing. Thus, I think, why we see the proliferation of moral memes that help us suppress our primal violence.

First off, I do not think your minimalist statement quite covers everyday good and evil between family, friends, co-workers, neighbors and strangers on the street. Not even politics, but more like out to conquer or save a nation from being conquered.

I doubt the individual heart and mind considered either of these until compelled to. Such overarching simplification is too broad a stroke to well define the influence of good and evil.

You really think moral memes are on the rise and that because the world is getting smaller? Perhaps in the over forties group. We see a greater proliferation of immoral or amoral memes in the younger set.

I do not think you make any case at all against my decimation of evolution.
The selection of only one species that is buffeted between good and evil is going to be a tuff square peg to fit into the donut hole of Schmo.

[_Nightlion]

Are you saying that with my liberty I should choose to imprison myself?

I meant to address this earlier. Yes. Here is why.
We were made independent creatures, that is true. You have some liberty that you wonderfully abuse at the present time. If you were to discover the freedom from evil that is possible with Christ in God you would desire it more and more. And as you advance in the love of God you would decry more and more that any evil at all has place within you. You will learn to seek the Lord in all things to keep and obtain more power against the adversary of all happiness. This will teach you to allow yourself to seek to become ONE with God. Over the years you will learn by experience that of yourself, even after great power and gifts and treasures of wisdom and hidden knowledge have been poured out upon you, there is not power sufficient within you alone to fully conquer the powers of hell. You will surrender you sovereignty and seek to do the will of the Father in all things, to become one with Christ and God. In the end this submission is ultimate and the intent to submit in the innocence of inexperience and faith alone is the primary point of entry upon the things of God's economy.

The separation from God is our origin. The reuniting with God is our destiny.
In the beginning we are one with God, but only in the light of truth, and there we had no independent thought to realize joy. Becoming independent and then becoming one with God is a fullness of joy. That is the entire purpose of all things. This is why the universe was first wound up and it is why it will keep on spinning.

[Guest]

First off, I do not think your minimalist statement quite covers everyday good and evil between family, friends, co-workers, neighbors and strangers on the street. Not even politics, but more like out to conquer or save a nation from being conquered.

It covers both. The same game-theoretical rules apply to both kinds of relations.

You really think moral memes are on the rise and that because the world is getting smaller? Perhaps in the over forties group. We see a greater proliferation of immoral or amoral memes in the younger set.

I was speaking specifically of "moral memes that help us suppress our primal violence"-- in other words, those that promote cooperation among human beings rather than those that promote puritanical divisions among them. Moral codes are increasingly tending toward tolerance and permissiveness rather than judgmentalism, which I see as a positive development that promotes peaceful cooperation among people of different backgrounds.

ETA: Young people are not "amoral". Their morality simply has different content.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Mr. Nightlion,

The only real proof is the Apocalrock. People need to wake up.

V/R
Dr. Cam