Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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beastie wrote:Curiouser and curiouser.


Either he is lying, or maybe his pals in the linguistics department at BYU, Oaks and Skousen, were "assigned" by Will himself to gather around a monitor at Will's house with some fresh popcorn and laugh it up while they enjoyed his crass comments? Who knows, eh?

After they laughed long and hard, they found him "not guilty."
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Kishkumen wrote:
Either he is lying, or maybe his pals in the linguistics department at BYU, Oaks and Skousen, were "assigned" by Will himself to gather around a monitor at Will's house with some fresh popcorn and laugh it up while they enjoyed his crass comments? Who knows, eh?

After they laughed long and hard, they found him "not guilty."


Another possibility is that he's just referring to some MAD posters whom he has loosely chosen to label "respected academics."

I suspect that for any of his cohorts to be willing to label me or Harmony "bitches" it likely means that their egos have been bruised in these type of fora.

Harmony bruised many egos on the old ZLMB when exposed their nasty side towards "chapel Mormons" by creating a chapel Mormon personae. I suspect I have bruised an ego or two in my tenacity with certain topics, like Mesoamerica. If MAD hadn't changed formats, I would do a search to see when it was that I ridiculed Nomad for thinking a Mesoamerican polity of a million people would be "minor." I've wondered if that occurred around the same time Schryver decided I was a bitch who deserved harsh treatment.

edit on: I was actually able to find that thread in question here
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/412 ... e__st__520

that occurred in 2009, and Will was treating me harshly back in 2008, so that theory is invalid. I still think there must have been some trigger event. I rarely show interest in the Book of Abraham, so I doubt it was that. I still think Nomad may be the link.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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beastie wrote:I still think there must have been some trigger event. I rarely show interest in the Book of Abraham, so I doubt it was that. I still think Nomad may be the link.


Does a misogynist need a trigger other than your gender?
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Kishkumen wrote:
beastie wrote:I still think there must have been some trigger event. I rarely show interest in the Book of Abraham, so I doubt it was that. I still think Nomad may be the link.


Does a misogynist need a trigger other than your gender?


Probably not. Likely that a female simply strongly disagreeing with a misogynist with a significant ego is trigger enough. People with narcissistic traits often act as if they're impervious to criticisms of lesser beings, but, in reality, they tend to internally overact to every perceived slight.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Hello Mr. Schryver,

I'm starting to think Mr. Kevin is spot on when calling you a coward...

Please answer these questions.

Does your devout Mormon wife delight in you calling women bitches, and insinuating another is a whore?

What does your "Wenchette" daughter think of you calling women bitches, and insinuating another is a whore?

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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beastie wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:Does a misogynist need a trigger other than your gender?


Probably not. Likely that a female simply strongly disagreeing with a misogynist with a significant ego is trigger enough. People with narcissistic traits often act as if they're impervious to criticisms of lesser beings, but, in reality, they tend to internally overact to every perceived slight.

Just when I think this thread can't possible get any better; any more representative (and in a relatively synthesized fashion) of the various personalities that make up the unique community of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park© ... well, I get proven wrong.

You know, beastlie, I think it would be especially appropriate, at this juncture, for you to launch in to a more detailed psychoanalytical discussion of my personality in particular, and how it relates to and is a reflection of the psyche of the "Mormon Patriarchal Male" in general. Even if you did no more than link to some of your previous comments along those lines, it would be a great benefit to our readers.

You see, I'm really hoping to make this thread a "one-stop-shopping" link for all future inquiries concerning my vulgar misogyny, etc., and since your prescient psychoanalysis of the underlying motivations has frequently been a component of these discussions in the past, I would very much like to see you elaborate further along those lines.
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Will Schryver wrote:Just when I think this thread can't possible get any better; any more representative (and in a relatively synthesized fashion) of the various personalities that make up the unique community of The Great and Spacious Trailer Park© ... well, I get proven wrong.

You know, beastlie, I think it would be especially appropriate, at this juncture, for you to launch in to a more detailed psychoanalytical discussion of my personality in particular, and how it relates to and is a reflection of the psyche of the "Mormon Patriarchal Male" in general. Even if you did no more than link to some of your previous comments along those lines, it would be a great benefit to our readers.

You see, I'm really hoping to make this thread a "one-stop-shopping" link for all future inquiries concerning my vulgar misogyny, etc., and since your prescient psychoanalysis of the underlying motivations has frequently been a component of these discussions in the past, I would very much like to see you elaborate further along those lines.


First, I want you to address this post I made above. Your story is strained and a bit poorly patched together.

Will, proudly quoting himself:
"… I did, in fact, obliquely refer to beastlie and dissonance (once each, as I recall) with variants on the appellative "bitch." But it was concluded that my judgment was so near to the facts of the matter that I could not be convicted by a jury of my peers."


My comment:
Thank you SO much for bringing this to our attention again.

Let's look more closely at the statement in which this was embedded:


Will's full quote:
You might be interested in the fact that a couple people were once given the task of investigating the basis for the oft-repeated claim of my wanton vulgarity. What was the result of this rather exhaustive investigation? It was that, although a few minor blushes were induced (amidst the belly laughs), there was deemed to be virtually no substantive basis for the allegations; quotes were found to have been routinely taken out of context, thus entirely altering their true meaning, and a large proportion of the "vulgarities" attributed to me were entirely fabricated out of whole cloth (like, for example, the frequently repeated allegation that I called the golden-haired Kimberly Ann a "whore.")

(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)

It was, I must confess, ascertained that I did, in fact, obliquely refer to beastlie and dissonance (once each, as I recall) with variants on the appellative "bitch." But it was concluded that my judgment was so near to the facts of the matter that I could not be convicted by a jury of my peers. LOL! Nevertheless, I have long since refrained from any similar rhetorical excesses, notwithstanding the severe violence thus inflicted against my natural tendencies.


My comment:
On this thread, Will has followed silver hammer's lead and insisted that he was not referencing members of the MI with his "small circle of otherwise respected academics", some of whom were given the charge of investigating Will's behavior. Now he insists that he knows other academics, and it was, I suppose, that group that was given the charge of investigating Will's behavior. It's a very odd proposition, by the way, that respected academics who associate with the self-identified non-academic Schryver and are interested enough to investigate his behavior, and yet have nothing to do with MI. But aside from that, it is even more odd that this group of academics who have nothing to do with MI not only were interested enough to investigate Will's behavior, but were also familiar enough with me to conclude that Will justly called me a bitch.

Curiouser and curiouser.
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beastie wrote:First, I want you to address this post I made above.

What you want and what you get will be, at least in this case, two very different things.

Your story is strained and a bit poorly patched together.

No, dear beastlie, my story is comprised of multiple opaque ambiguities, deliberately crafted and consciously assembled consistent with my mischievous designs to befuddle, bewilder, and otherwise bedevil you and your cohorts here in the GSTP©.
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Will Schryver wrote:
beastie wrote:First, I want you to address this post I made above.

What you want and what you get will be, at least in this case, two very different things.

Your story is strained and a bit poorly patched together.

No, dear beastlie, my story is comprised of multiple opaque ambiguities, deliberately crafted and consciously assembled consistent with my mischievous designs to befuddle, bewilder, and otherwise bedevil you and your cohorts here in the GSTP©.


LOL. Is that what you call it?

Although, come to think of it, with a slight alteration your description is very apt of your KEP apologia.

My story is comprised of multiple opaque ambiguities, deliberately crafted and consciously assembled consistent with my mischievous designs to befuddle, bewilder, and otherwise bedevil naïve members of the church, desperate for a Book of Abraham resolution.


People do entertain themselves in odd ways.
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Will's wife here for a guest post. So much to say, but just a few minutes to say it in.

As for this calling women bitches thing, all I can say is let whoever is without sin among you cast the first stone.

I don't think I know a grown man who hasn't at least once referred to a woman as a bitch. And probably rightly so. For heaven's sake, I have done that on occasion. I'm sorry, but sometimes people deserve being called that. It's just a simple reality of life. Doesn't mean they're that way all time. Like Will, for example. Speaking of people who are sometimes insufferable bitches. A more high maintenance husband you will never find. Some days I'd like to see what I could get to sell his cranky ass down the dirty river here in the Great and Spacious Trailer Park (kind of a funny name-lol). Oh, I could tell you stories that would rock your world. Doctor Scratch could make one of his drawrings (spoken like Mike Myers on SNL) illustrating me in negotiations with Charon to sell Will's high-maintenance soul down the river for all the things I've had to put up with over the years. Being all understanding and tolerant while he was doing what he damn well pleased when he damn well pleased to do it. (Is that chiasmus?) All the things he promised to do but never did. (And believe me, now that I'm in my 50s, that's a bigger issue than it used to be!)

But you guys think that bitch stuff is bad?!!! I'll show you bad. Like the time he uncorked a sailor's montage of special words in front of me and the kids at Dead Horse Point State Park and then threatened to toss 4 scared-to-death BYU kids off the edge for littering. Yeah, that one was touch and go for a while. But finally cooler heads prevailed (mine) and I dragged the hot head home and finally calmed him down. He swears to this day that he really would have only swung one of them over the edge a couple times, just to scare them all into never doing it again. But you can never be certain when it comes to my husband. If he'd found out one of them had read Vogel's Joseph Smith biography, it might have been curtains.

Sorry I can't stay to chat some more, but I have a pretty full life right now and I'm afraid there's not a single minute available for message board posting.
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