Kevin Graham Resorts to Intimidation Tactics

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Re: Kevin Graham Resorts to Intimidation Tactics

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Kevin Graham wrote:
To address your obsession on this point: Will is not my "client."

Of course he is. His untimely demise is the only reason you've returned.

(Snip the rest of the spite.)

I told you why I was here. I have showed up in the past without threads attacking Will. I will probably show up in the future without threads attacking Will. Therefore your asinine assumption that I was merely here to defend Will is a product of your own boundless malice.

But thank you for demonstrating your idea of gracious give and take.

And thank you also for demonstrating the truth of the point I made to Kishkumen earlier: when you rage that someone is a "liar," you are merely telling us how much you hate them personally.

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Yeah, I was surprised that Pahoran raised this issue again. But the fact that he is trying to use this as evidence that I unjustifiably call people liars, deserves a swift response.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Yeah, I was surprised that Pahoran raised this issue again. But the fact that he is trying to use this as evidence that I unjustifiably call people liars, deserves a swift response.

If you're going to start a blog soon, you should just lay out the entire history of events according to you. Then you can just link to it whenever Pahoran or someone else brings it up.
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And thank you also for demonstrating the truth of the point I made to Kishkumen earlier: when you rage that someone is a "liar," you are merely telling us how much you hate them personally.


To be clear, I never pretended to be "gracious" here. Since when in the hell are you ever interested in graciousness? Oh yeah, when your integrity is on the line. Suddenly you're all about charity and graciousness.

If you notice a liar, calling him a liar = hate? This is a non sequitur, but by your logic, FARMS authors, you included, are the most hateful people on the planet.

Clearly we agree that there are times when people deserve to be called out for lying, so at the very least you're a hypocrite for complaining to me about it. The difference is that you think this only applies to non-LDS folks who dare challenge LDS claims. I dealt with Dan Peterson's hypocrisy on this matter recently, pointing to dozens of references on the FARMS website where critics were described as disingenuous or worse, usually based on incomplete evidence.

Seriously, it is really hilarious the way you guys at FARMS respond when anyone from that tribe is accused of being dishonest, disingenuous, etc. Your argument is that we're uncharitable and refuse to acknowledge other possibilities for the mistakes that point to dishonesty. This is hilarious because you NEVER entertain or acknowledge the existence of alternative possibilities at to why the Tanners, or JP Holding, or (pick a critic) stated something in error. Apologists rejoice at the discovery of such errors because it provides them with the convenient opportunity to dismiss them entirely and poison the well - effectively labeling them all liars who are willfully misrepresenting the truth and therefore should not be trusted.

The general rule with you folks is that:

apostate + false statements = lies born from Satanic inspiration.

However, LDS believers + false statements = innocent mistake.

Even a child can see this is a double standard.
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MsJack wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Yeah, I was surprised that Pahoran raised this issue again. But the fact that he is trying to use this as evidence that I unjustifiably call people liars, deserves a swift response.

If you're going to start a blog soon, you should just lay out the entire history of events according to you. Then you can just link to it whenever Pahoran or someone else brings it up.


I have no plans to talk about that again, unless Pahoran keeps pressing me about it. I'll probably write about the untimely and unfortunate demise of Schryver, and list the names of those LDS defenders who either rushed to his defense or refused to condemn his behavior.
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I told you why I was here.


More importantly, you showed us why you are here.

You successfully derailed the original thread by MsJack, complaining about C&E which wasn't even something she mentioned. You then used the C&E example as evidence to cast suspicion on her entire case.

I have showed up in the past without threads attacking Will.


So? I'm talking about why you are here now, not why you have shown up in the past.

I will probably show up in the future without threads attacking Will. Therefore your asinine assumption that I was merely here to defend Will is a product of your own boundless malice.


No, it is a product of logical deduction based on your attempt to dismiss criticisms against him as a product of anti-Mormon malice, hatred, etc.. produced by those you describe as "traitors."
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Kevin Graham wrote:You successfully derailed the original thread by MsJack, complaining about C&E which wasn't even something she mentioned. You then used the C&E example as evidence to cast suspicion on her entire case.

Does anybody have a link to this?

I didn't keep up with the "C&E made sure" thread, since it isn't a topic that I have ever commented on (other than my brief attempts to answer Ceeboo's questions last week) and can't possibly have anything to do with the case I was making in my misogyny thread.
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MsJack wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:You successfully derailed the original thread by MsJack, complaining about C&E which wasn't even something she mentioned. You then used the C&E example as evidence to cast suspicion on her entire case.

Does anybody have a link to this?

I didn't keep up with the "C&E made sure" thread, since it isn't a topic that I have ever commented on (other than my brief attempts to answer Ceeboo's questions last week) and can't possibly have anything to do with the case I was making in my misogyny thread.



I'll get it in a bit. The problem is that there were two C&E threads and then the mods meshed them together with a third thread that was started two weeks ago. It was when Pahoran first started challenging our interpretation of Will's C&E remarks.
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MsJack wrote:If you're going to start a blog soon, you should just lay out the entire history of events according to you. Then you can just link to it whenever Pahoran or someone else brings it up.


Yeah, Angry McAngerton: Smear people uncontested, like Scratch does.
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Here it is:
My purpose in making the post that suddenly and without my knowledge became the OP for a new thread, was to answer a specific question that had been raised quite early in that thread, and continued to be bandied about as if it showed some actual evidence about him.

The more I look into the carefully constructed case against Will, the more I think he's been misrepresented.


So Pahoran thinks he can complain about C&E and then use this as evidence that the entire "carefully constructed case" against Will is nothing more than a giant misrepresentation of what he has said.

I have tried to get him to address the rest of the arguments and the more explicit evidence against Wilbur, but he refuses, saying he has no "interest" and he wants me to stop chasing him around.
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