Runtu wrote:For the life of me, I don't know why you and Wade and others are rushing to defend that kind of behavior.
I think I know why. I've noticed two sorts of internet defenders of the faith who immediately have transmogrified into internet defenders of Will. The first group has been heavily criticized for their own behavior on the internet, and hence, will probably defend just about any believer whose behavior is heavily criticized on the internet. in my opinion, it's really more about defending themselves than Will.
The second group is just pretty mindless when it comes to their knee-jerking opposition to just about anything said on this board by someone they perceive as an enemy to the LDS church. If a critic here asserts something, they will find something to oppose in the assertion.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
I think you just misunderstand what Will was doing. I don't deny the other references are purely sexual in of themselves normally. It's just that he's playing off of the initial double entendre rather than make literal accusations of literal circle jerks. I've seen him do this other times*. Again, he's playing off of the initial sexual pun. It's like accusing someone of mental masturbation, but indulging the metaphor by offering them a towel to clean up. Will was being crude, but in a slightly different way than you are imagining.
*Remember that MADB thread where various posters, including DCP, were using sex, rape really, metaphors in reference to Beastie? I'm pretty sure Will was the poster to was the least subtle with it and took it the furthest. There's a reference to that thread on this board somewhere.
EAllusion wrote: *Remember that MADB thread where various posters, including DCP, were using sex, rape really, metaphors in reference to Beastie? I'm pretty sure Will was the poster to was the least subtle with it and took it the furthest. There's a reference to that thread on this board somewhere.
Oh, yeah, I had forgotten about that event. It's pretty sad when one has been subjected to so many insults that one forgets something like that. ;)
I'm going to try and remember the context of that episode to see if I can track it down. I'm pretty sure it was in the context of a Mesoamerican discussion, but I could be wrong.
edit on: I was wrong, it was in the context of me asking if Gordon had met with the "Oaks Faction". It was discussed here:
For those unaware, Droopy was either trolling or has some of the most appalling views concerning the mentally retarded, mentally ill, and institutionalization that I've ever seen.
To recap some of his expressed views:
People who are mentally ill can almost never contribute to the economy People who are mentally ill and/or cognitively disabled should almost always be institutionalized The institutionalization system in the 20th century prior to the '80's is the preferable way to treat the those with cognitive disabilities and/or mental illness.
He continued to defend the latter even after I pointed out the various ways that system was horribly abusive. He made so many offensive statements defending these and other ideas that it's hard to recall them all. He was very interested in blaming the consequences of deinstitutionalization in the 80's - such the spike in homelesses - on leftists agitating for getting people out of institutions rather than Regean administration for defunding outpatient and community integration services after pushing deinstitutionalization. In the process of that, he tried to use the fact that Runtu was open about talking about his history of mental illness to score some polemical points. Runtu told him to F off, and wasn't wrong to do so.
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Interestingly, it appears that the original MAD thread did not survive the transition to MDD.
Yeah, it look likes that thread has been disappeared. What a shame. Did anyone quote Will's "I hope it was as good for her as it was for him?" style comment? That was the dead give away that the laughing and elbow-nudging was in reference to sex when the initial reference didn't have to be. It's like he ruined it for them.
EAllusion wrote:For those unaware, Droopy was either trolling or has some of the most appalling views concerning the mentally r*******, mentally ill, and institutionalization that I've ever seen.
To recap some of his expressed views:
People who are mentally ill can almost never contribute to the economy People who are mentally ill and/or cognitively disabled should almost always be institutionalized The institutionalization system in the 20th century prior to the '70's is the preferable way to treat the those with cognitive disabilities and/or mental illness.
He continued to defend the latter even after I pointed out the various ways that system was horribly abusive. He made so many offensive statements defending these and other ideas that it's hard to recall them all. He was very interested in blaming the consequences of deinstitutionalization in the 80's - such the spike in homelesses - on leftists agitating for getting people out of institutions rather than Regean administration for defunding outpatient and community integration services after pushing deinstitutionalization. In the process of that, he tried to use the fact that Runtu was open about talking about his history of mental illness to score some polemical points. Runtu told him to F off, and wasn't wrong to do so.
Has a link been given to this interaction?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
beastie wrote: Has a link been given to this interaction?
It was in chat. Droopy was randomly accusing people of being drunk while coming off like a belligerent drunk. I remember in one exchange Droopy complained he didn't want to have to go to the library and see people smelling like piss outside.
I mentioned that one of the reasons that people who have been institutionalized back in the day have problems with hygiene is that poorly supervised group showers were common. And a lot of sexual assault occurred because of that, so those people often have anxiety issues related to baths and showers. He responded with a bleeding heart liberal routine that strongly implied he didn't care so long as those people aren't roaming the streets. Stak can verify. Again, either he was trolling or his views are appalling.
I think you just misunderstand what Will was doing. I don't deny the other references are purely sexual in of themselves normally. It's just that he's playing off of the initial double entendre rather than make literal accusations of literal circle jerks. I've seen him do this other times*. Again, he's playing off of the initial sexual pun. It's like accusing someone of mental masturbation, but indulging the metaphor by offering them a towel to clean up. Will was being crude, but in a slightly different way than you are imagining.
I think he was just trying to be as vile as possible.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.