Boy, was I wrong

[_Kevin Graham]

That's a pretty huge slam against poor malaise, since William Schryver is an absolute moron.

Be nice simon.

[_Kevin Graham]

Hello Mr. Graham,

Well, to be fair the only other person I've know to use "pissant" on this forum is Ms. Hurricane Jersey.

Hmmm.....

V/R
Dr. Cam

I don't think malaise is Will, it is just funny watching her get so pissed off by the insinuation. I guess I would too.

[_stemelbow]

Wade,

Clearly, the threats and smear campaign from many here at MD worked in silencing Will Schryver even among his own. I didn't think that was possible, but I obviously seriously under estimated the power of this mob--which is ironic given how the mob prides itself on free speech and has complained long and hard about censorship in certain quarters. At least this is one way to avoid having to confront Will's arguments.

You have over-played your hand, Wade. Its not so unreasonable to think that someone who purports to be a defender of religious belief would be expected not to embarrass the faith. I hate to say it, but many of Will's posts are hostile, unforgiving, and disgusting. Do you really disagree with that?

While his arguments may or may not be good, and it'd be cool if we can just plain judge the merits of the arguments rather than the person, it also should be recognized that a faith promoter ought to behave himself as the faith preaches--at least to some extent, at least to the extent that it appears he/she is trying to live principles.

I have a diverse enough mindset to accept the general tone of Will's more recent posts. I've enjoyed many posts of his I've read. But then there are many that are just embarrassing. I wish to God these particular posts, the ones I have in mind, weren't created by someone whois LDS.

Last of all, when will this annoying Will-hunt end? Not only is Will the devil so but are half the LDS who post here, as they defend Will. Are there people really tyring to discredit posters because they might side with Will, on some things?

[_malaise]

It is OK Will, you can fume like this using your real name. Your credibility cannot possibly drop any lower than it already has.

KAGE:

malaise isn't as intelligent as Will, nor is she as good of a writer. I don't think she's Will.

hah hah hah


Simian seems like he's a bit upset.

[_sock puppet]

Oh, how I hope this thread never ends.

[_wenglund]

As much as I am enjoying observing the marvels of group-think under way here (most rich has been Kish and DrW fawning over Kevin's highly sanitized, carefully cheery-picked, spin on this spectacle, as though it were near clinical in its analysis. Then there is the unwitting irony of Kevin considering despicable a post that mimicked some of his own vulgar verbiage), but I have pretty much satisfied the several reasons for my return. I have admitted to things about which I believe I was wrong. I have made multiple, though futile attempts to discourage mobocracy. And, I wanted to see further if there was anything to my surmising that this spectacle went beyond seeking an apology and wishing to improve board discourse, and I am satisfied that it did.

And, given that I am supposedly to be ignored, and allegedly overplayed my hand (as though people here have correctly grasped the hand I have played), there is little or no reason for me to stay.

Having said this, there is one final obligation I feel a need to meet. I promised earlier in the thread that I would disclose the basis for my belief that threats had been made, and this once I gave people a chance to confirm or deny making threats. So, a promise made is a promise kept.

Like Bro. Bokovoy, I received an email from a source who will remain anonymous, that essentially said that a group of MDers (including MsJack, harmony, beastie, Kevin Graham, Doctor Scratch, MrStakhanovite, and Spurven Ten Sing, among others), conspired together. They threatened the MI by saying that, if the MI published Will's work, they would go public in a major way with their allegations—contacting newspapers, other ex-Mormon sites, various blogs, etc.

Admittedly, like with David, my source is at best second-hand. However, given the general ready acceptance of David's posts, I trust you all will readily accept mine as well.

Thanks, and goodbye for now, -Wade Englund-

[_Runtu]

Having said this, there is one final obligation I feel a need to meet. I promised earlier in the thread that I would disclose the basis for my belief that threats had been made, and this once I gave people a chance to confirm or deny making threats. So, a promise made is a promise kept.

Like Bro. Bokovoy, I received an email from a source who will remain anonymous, that essentially said that a group of MDers (including MsJack, harmony, beastie, Kevin Graham, Doctor Scratch, MrStakhanovite, and Spurven Ten Sing, among others), conspired together. They threatened the MI by saying that, if the MI published Will's work, they would go public in a major way with their allegations—contacting newspapers, other ex-Mormon sites, various blogs, etc.

Admittedly, like with David, my source is at best second-hand. However, given the general ready acceptance of David's posts, I trust you all will readily accept mine as well.

Thanks, and goodbye for now, -Wade Englund-

That scenario seems extremely unlikely to me, Wade. I believe you when you say that someone contacted you with such allegations, but knowing the people being accused, I doubt very much that there is any particle of truth to it. MsJack posted openly here and has said she didn't have anything to do with contacting the MI. The rest of the accused would make a rather odd conspiracy, given their disparate beliefs and locations. Seems to me the only thread connecting them is that Will considers them enemies.

Don't stay away too long, brother.

[_Buffalo]

I have made multiple, though futile attempts to discourage mobocracy.

I'm sorry that you feel that is more important than protecting multiple women from sexual harassment at the hands of a priesthood holder

[_Runtu]

I appreciate you stating this for the record. And, while I think you were wildly mistaken in your judgements of Will and your actions to silence him, I still view you as a good guy too.

At the very least this means that my so-called impression wasn't entirely without merit, my alleged obfuscations notwithstanding.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Wade, I wouldn't have pegged you for someone who doesn't get sarcasm.

[_Kevin Graham]

As much as I am enjoying observing the marvels of group-think under way here (most rich has been Kish and DrW fawning over Kevin's highly sanitized, carefully cheery-picked, spin on this spectacle, as though it were near clinical in its analysis

LOL! It just burns you up inside whenever people recognize my posting as legitimate research. Something no one ever does in response to your idiotic posts. Spin? I stated facts, and those facts will go ignored by the fools who wish to continue with this mischaracterization of teh thread as a "dog pile" or what not. As I proved, we gave the thread every opportunity to die off, but you and your ilk would have none of it. William Schryver was perhaps more guilty than anyone of dragging it out as far as it has gone.

Then there is the unwitting irony of Kevin considering despicable a post that mimicked some of his own vulgar verbiage)

This is a lie and you know it. I asked droopy to provide a single example where I or anyone else has ever accused Mormon apologists of engaging in group anal sex. Where have I called a female Mormon apologist a whore or even a B-word? I would say happy hunting, but we both know you don't do research for your claims.

I have admitted to things about which I believe I was wrong. I have made multiple, though futile attempts to discourage mobocracy.

Mobocracy! The closest thing to mobocracy would be what takes place on a regular basis at MAD, where the victims are frequently forbidden from offering a public defense from their attackers.

And, I wanted to see further if there was anything to my surmising that this spectacle went beyond seeking an apology and wishing to improve board discourse, and I am satisfied that it did.

You're not interested in discourse, and you never have been. All you ever do is write up a slew of questions, and then refuse to answer any questions presented to you. WHen you're refuted, you claim to have been misrepresented. Wash, rinse and repeat.

And, given that I am supposedly to be ignored, and allegedly overplayed my hand (as though people here have correctly grasped the hand I have played), there is little or no reason for me to stay.

True, but like droopy, you will anyway. Because like droopy, you have no life outside this forum.

Like Bro. Bokovoy, I received an email from a source who will remain anonymous, that essentially said that a group of MDers (including MsJack, harmony, beastie, Kevin Graham, Doctor Scratch, MrStakhanovite, and Spurven Ten Sing, among others), conspired together.

You're lying and you know it.

They threatened the MI by saying that, if the MI published Will's work, they would go public in a major way with their allegations—contacting newspapers, other ex-Mormon sites, various blogs, etc.

Uh huh, despite the fact that we all voted in a recent poll insisting that MI publish Will's work. I know you think you're being witty here, but in reality you're just proving what an idiot you really are.

Admittedly, like with David, my source is at best second-hand. However, given the general ready acceptance of David's posts, I trust you all will readily accept mine as well.

Unlike you, David doesn't have a history of lying. He also is known to have the inside scoop as far as the LDS scholarly community is concerned. He also has no reason to lie, whereas you do. Further, what you say contradicts too many facts to be taken seriously. I don't recall ever saying two words to Spurven, so how the hell could we have conspired at some point with a half dozen others? The only person I have corresponded with privately is MsJack. The only possible venue where such a conspiracy could unfold would be in the chat room, and I don't recall ever seeing that many people in chat at one time. But then, I rarely enter the chat room. So your claim is suspect from teh get-go because it is just too improbable if not impossible. You're just trying to make excuses for your stupidity as usual, by inventing some secret informant. At least we know for a fact that the informants by Scratch and Bokovoy exist, and have properly informed them of things that were true. At best, you're telling the truth, but relying on some MD poster who uses a pseudonym as your source! LOL. But I think it is clear you're just making this up.