A Farewell to Daniel Bashing

[_Quasimodo]

"And some seed fell upon a rocky places" :)

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I'd like to thank Mr. Peterson for posting today despite his statement that he didn't have much time nor much inclination to post on this forum. What is this? Declaration of distinterest #100? Kudos to you, Usstaz.

V/R
Dr. C

[_Daniel Peterson]

Again, Cam4, I'm really sorry that I fell for your pose yesterday. It was genuinely foolish on my part.

I never said that I wouldn't post here today. I said that I couldn't post as much as I did yesterday. And I haven't. Not even close. In the meantime, today, I've recorded an interview in studio for a future radio broadcast, helped someone with some materials for tomorrow's dinner honoring Richard Bushman, spoken with the lead federal prosecutor regarding certain details in the just-concluded Brian David Mitchell case, approved a plan for restructuring some elements of the Maxwell Institute, consulted with a colleague on a difficult editorial issue, written several hundred words of an encyclopedia article, etc.

I was . . . pointing out to those who were somehow certain that Mike Quinn had been excommunicated solely because of his historical "truth-telling," that there were other obvious and readily available potential grounds for his excommunication -- grounds that, by that time, had been announced in print by Mike Quinn himself.

"By that time" refers, here, to the time during which I was commenting on the FAIR board. Quinn had long since "come out" by then.

To repeat, though: Quinn's homosexuality was widely known by the time of his excommunication, and, accordingly, it's neither unreasonable nor shocking nor vicious to assume that it was very possibly a relevant issue for those involved in the process.

No, that's not correct. He didn't publicly come out until two or three years after the excommunication

That's certainly possible. I haven't researched it. You're the one with the files.

I'm simply trying to work with twenty-to-thirty-year-old memories regarding an issue that, clearly, isn't as central to my life as it is to you and yours.

I always love it when you blow off your own foot, Dr. P.

An interesting and curiously revealing comment from someone who, for fully half a decade now, has been trying to portray me as malicious and as seeking to do harm to others.

There's a difference between a negative review and sustained character assassination and smear campaigns.

LOL. That's absolutely true.

I've published a few negative reviews of some of Mike Quinn's work. You've engaged in sustained hate-fueled character assassination and a smear campaign against me for fully five years.

Here's a very recent sample:

There's zero self-reflection on your part; just hollow, disingenuous bloviation about "bridge building," despite the fact that literally nothing has been done to atone for all the past crap you've pulled---the endless SHIELDS correspondence, the trolling on RfM, the lying to people on ZLMB, the countless hit pieces in the Review, the condescension to people with sincere questions, the interference involving Eric, etc., etc., etc., etc. Some on here have said, "Well, it's in the past. Forgive and forget." But that's not how it works, does it, Dr. P.? That's not what the Church teaches, and it's not what you believe.

The day you actually offer up some sincere apologies for all these past misdeeds is the day I finally take seriously the notion that you care about "bridge building." Other than that, I guess all we can do is hope for the day when you and the rest of the Skinny-L types bite the dust so that Bokovoy and the Mopologist Vanguard can come in and clean house.

Meanwhile, we'll just get what we've always been getting: you getting your butt kicked until some critic finally feels bad for you and declares that you've been getting picked on for too long. This is followed by you saying "Thanks, I appreciate it," but with zero acknowledgment on your part for the role you've always played in the conflict, which just starts the ball rolling again as far as your hauteur and arrogance is concerned, and thus the whole cycle starts yet again. You piss people off in increments, people get fed up with it and start in with the criticism, and then that builds until at last ill will against you comes to a head, and (again) some critic feels bad for you and the apologies start up once again.

[_asbestosman]

Missed this before:

Potato, potahto.

You never were much of one for precision--unless it happens to support your agenda.

Actually, I have my suspicions that many of your tricks are journalist tricks used to extract more information and write juicy articles. I've recently been cautioned by my employer not to correct mistakes in the press about our product because sometimes that's a ruse for them to get us to reveal more.

Huh?

The sentence previous to the quoted section had me musing over one of your skills. Others in recent threads have wondered about your identity--specifically the relationship with Quinn. I too have frequently wondered if you are Quinn (or someone intimately involved with him). My musing here was that your skills make me think you may be a journalist (which as far as I know is something Quinn is not and lends credence to the idea that you are not him). I don't know enough to say whether you'd do well at it or not, but you are complimented for your writing skills, and I do recognize your ability to steer conversations.

[_Doctor Scratch]

It's not "character assassination" to point out that it wouldn't hurt you be show more humility and be freer with your apologies, Dan. In fact, I bet it would do you a ton of good to apologize to Infymus for giving his private emails to Stan Barker. Remember: "bridge building." Don't make any excuses; don't try to say that Infymus was mean to you too, or anything of that nature. Just swallow your pride, be the bigger man, and apologize.

[_Daniel Peterson]

It's not "character assassination" to point out that it wouldn't hurt you be show more humility and be freer with your apologies, Dan. In fact, I bet it would do you a ton of good to apologize to Infymus for giving his private emails to Stan Barker. Remember: "bridge building." Don't make any excuses; don't try to say that Infymus was mean to you too, or anything of that nature. Just swallow your pride, be the bigger man, and apologize.

Scratch as moral compass and spiritual advisor, motivated by pure love and selfless concern.

[_Doctor Scratch]

What would it hurt, Dan? What would you lose by apologizing? Do you think the entire Mopologetic enterprise will collapse if you dare to exhibit a shred of decency and humility? And hey: it doesn't have to be Infymus. How about Markk? Markk is about the nicest, most decent and earnest guy around and you've had your snark turned up to full volume with him. How about a little bridge building?

[_Simon Belmont]

Apparently Scratch is not familiar with the Infymus episode. Do you know what he said to Dr. Peterson after Dr. Peterson kindly asked him to correct some information about him on Infymus' hate site?

I have the full exchange from my SHIELDS archives, and Infymus is clearly the one who needs to be apologizing.

With that being said, I do grant the possibility that Infymus has grown up a bit since then, and his more recent behavior supports this possibility -- though as long as his hate site remains live, he will be my online enemy.

[_moksha]

Why not pick out a conservative intellectual like David Frumm and hold him responsible for the tea party movement? Does that make sense?

That would be like making the trainer of a dancing bear responsible for the record getting stuck while waltzing around the China shop. Speaking of which, has anyone seen Elders Oaks and Packer lately?

[_why me]

What would it hurt, Dan? What would you lose by apologizing? Do you think the entire Mopologetic enterprise will collapse if you dare to exhibit a shred of decency and humility? And hey: it doesn't have to be Infymus. How about Markk? Markk is about the nicest, most decent and earnest guy around and you've had your snark turned up to full volume with him. How about a little bridge building?

Maybe you should set an example. Maybe you need to apologize to Dan for all he crap you have put him through on the Internet. We both know that it is not about Dan apologizing. Dan could apologize until he was blue in the face and you would still be asking for more. This is more than just apologizing. Your fixation on Dan has roots in places that no man or woman should venture to go. It is so deep and hostile that no apology, no humbleness, or meekness can mend. At least not at this moment.

Have you ever checked your posts and counted just how many concern Dan? And now that the board is attempting to stop the bashing and mocking, you seem to be acting like Custer and having your last stand. I have never met Dan. But my sense of humanity is asking you to stop the hounding and move on with your life.

And that being said, where is Mike Quinn? I would love to hear from him. Or you sure that he is as hostile to Dan as you are? I know that if I were Mike I would feel just a little uncomfortable to be defended by someone for years on the internet. I would need to come on here and end this hostility once and for all so that both parties can move on. I would also make a public forgiveness attempt by stating that the past is the past and I have forgiven all people who may have been harsh to me in that episode.

Now wouldn't that be wonderful? I think that you are a decent person Scratch. I have said so before on the Internet. But this fixation on Dan and Quinn needs to be put to rest.