Casey Anthony Trial--it's ON

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Wisdom Seeker wrote:If I was a juror, the biggest question I would have to ask myself, is why would the mother or grandfather need to put duct tape over the face of this child if she had already drowned?

Thanks for providing some interesting observations and recap into what is happening.


Here's my answer. The mother or grandfather would need to put duct tape over the face of the child whom the Defense claims drown in order to stage it as a kidnap/murder.

This is what the Defense claimed from the opening statement. They are claiming that Caylee drown in the family pool, discovered by George and then immediately following, by Casey, and George (an ex-detective) covered it up.

The question would be "why"?

The only answer I have to that is, "To avoid the wrath of Cindy Anthony".


I am not sure about the timeline with this, but if the grandfather and daughter put duct tape on the face of the dead child to make it look like a kidnapping and murder, why wouldn't it have be reported to the police soon after removing the body? It may very well be that the grandfather abused his daughter and she wants this guilt to be passed on to him for his past evil actions.
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I am not sure about the timeline with this, but if the grandfather and daughter put duct tape on the face of the dead child to make it look like a kidnapping and murder, why wouldn't it have be reported to the police soon after removing the body? It may very well be that the grandfather abused his daughter and she wants this guilt to be passed on to him for his past evil actions.


If the intent were to cover up an accidental drowning, which is what the Defense is claiming, they wouldn't have reported it soon after removing the body in order to delay the police searching for the body. Had the body been found (using the Defense claim scenario of a cover up) shortly after death, it would have had evidence of the drowning.

The short story: They wouldn't have reported it in order to buy time so that the evidence was destroyed via decomposition.

I can't address the possibility that George Anthony abused Caylee Anthony. This is not part of the defense and there is no evidence to suggest it. Likewise, there is no evidence to suggest that Casey Anthony ever abused her daughter.
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Yet another example of shoddy reporting.

Geraldo Rivera

As I predicted Tuesday morning, their last witness was Bobby Williams a tattoo artist who etched “La Bella Vita” on Casey’s left shoulder in flowery, starry lettering. The court later said that it was Italian rather than bad Spanish and that it meant “The Beautiful Life.” The prosecution intent was to show what a heartless bitch Casey is. How could the slut get a tattoo celebrating her newly ‘beautiful life’ just sixteen days after her toddler died?



http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/06/15/geraldo-rivera-casey-anthony-and-eye-for-eye/

Geraldo, who was once a worthy journalist and who was in the courtroom when this took place, gets it wrong.

The tattoo reads "Bella Vita" or "Beautiful Life".

This could easily have been a tribute to Caylee and not a celebration of life without her.
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Points made and successfully addressed by Defense Attorney Jose Baez today via expert testimony:

1. There was no heart shaped residue found on the duct tape.
2. The trash bags used to conceal and dispose of the body did NOT match
any trash bags found in the Anthony home.
3. There was no DNA evidence on the shovel borrowed from the neighbor
by Casey Anthony.
4. There was NO DNA evidence discovered anywhere on any evidence except....the duct tape which was *contaminated* by an FBI lab examiner.

Not too shabby for the Defense.

(There could have been more...but it's late as I'm writing. :-)
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Jersey Girl wrote:Wisdom Seeker
I am not sure about the timeline with this, but if the grandfather and daughter put duct tape on the face of the dead child to make it look like a kidnapping and murder, why wouldn't it have be reported to the police soon after removing the body? It may very well be that the grandfather abused his daughter and she wants this guilt to be passed on to him for his past evil actions.


If the intent were to cover up an accidental drowning, which is what the Defense is claiming, they wouldn't have reported it soon after removing the body in order to delay the police searching for the body. Had the body been found (using the Defense claim scenario of a cover up) shortly after death, it would have had evidence of the drowning.

The short story: They wouldn't have reported it in order to buy time so that the evidence was destroyed via decomposition.

I can't address the possibility that George Anthony abused Caylee Anthony. This is not part of the defense and there is no evidence to suggest it. Likewise, there is no evidence to suggest that Casey Anthony ever abused her daughter.


Covering up an accident where victims only get hurt is one thing, but covering up an accidental death with something much more sinister such as a kidnapping and or murder just seems too much. So let's say she went out to the pool to find her child drowned. Logically the first step is to perform CPR and call an ambulance. So what would prevent Casey from calling 911 on the day of the supposed drowning? Again, you know much more about this case than I do, but everything about it does not make much sense and what I hope is normal people behavior. I like to watch competent defenders and prosecutors in trials because it's so much like a good chess game.

Sounds to me like what I thought was a silly defense does have some very good and valid points. But in terms of public opinion, I would guess most people think she is guilty because she is the mom, and in cases like this I would think the mom is often found guilty.
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Wisdom Seeker,

Thank you for asking questions on this thread. It helps me to think things through. I thought I was down here alone in my own little world and I don't mind that at all. Still, it's nice to get some feedback.

Covering up an accident where victims only get hurt is one thing, but covering up an accidental death with something much more sinister such as a kidnapping and or murder just seems too much.


Yes, it does seem like too much. However, when you consider what Cindy Anthony might have done when faced with the (possible) fact that her beloved granddaughter died in a pool accident while two adults were present in the home, well, she would have gone ballistic. Both of their lives (George and Casey) would have been over.

So let's say she went out to the pool to find her child drowned. Logically the first step is to perform CPR and call an ambulance. So what would prevent Casey from calling 911 on the day of the supposed drowning?


Enter George Anthony.

The Defense claims that George Anthony and Casey Anthony realized that Caylee was missing, both went out opposite sides of the house to search and as Casey rounded the corner of the side she was on, she encountered George holding Caylee.

George Anthony is an ex-detective. He knows CPR and he knows what dead is. Perhaps he determined that Caylee was dead beyond rescue. Perhaps he panicked.

What would prevent Casey (or George) from calling 911 would have been sheer panic and fear of retribution on the part of Cindy Anthony--at least I think that is what the Defense will claim.

Again, you know much more about this case than I do, but everything about it does not make much sense and what I hope is normal people behavior. I like to watch competent defenders and prosecutors in trials because it's so much like a good chess game.


There is nothing normal about this family.

Sounds to me like what I thought was a silly defense does have some very good and valid points. But in terms of public opinion, I would guess most people think she is guilty because she is the mom, and in cases like this I would think the mom is often found guilty.


If the news reports and live blogs are any indication, the public was ready to put a needle in Casey Anthony's arm a very long time ago and still are eager to see her slapped with the death penalty.

Everything I see on the news reports, live blog that is on the station where I watch the videos and sometimes live coverage, tells me that people are not paying attention to the testimonies and their reactions/comments tend to converge on "guilty" by an overwhelming majority.

Were I on trial for my life, there is NO way I would want the majority of bloggers to be on the jury. They are a little too blood thirsty for my liking which is why I tend not to watch the live blog on wftv. com where I watch the daily videos of the trial.

I am suspending judgement on whether or not I think Casey should be found guilty or not guilty. I am intrigued by the case, the process and more than that, I would like to see this small child's story told with some element of truth. I know that the whole truth is unlikely to come out, but I would like to see Casey have a fair trial and Caylee's story told in as much as truth can be expected.

FYI: The only time that Florida has applied the death penalty to women was in two cases of serial killers. She is unlikely to have the death penalty imposed if the verdict is "guilty".
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Just as a little lighthearted aside. I have followed this case and trial almost exclusively on wftv.com. Over the past two years, there wasn't much in the news regarding the trial. Whenever I forgot the call letters of the TV station, I remembered them by "WTF" TV.

;-)

If anyone is interested in catching up on the trial, good places to read about it or view videos:

WFTV
WESH
Orlando Sentinel
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Maggots, Pigs and Adipocere, oh my.

The expert witness for the Defense today was a PhD who specializes in entomology. He contends that the body was moved to the "dump site" (awful way to say it, I know) 2-3 days or more after death. He determines this by the lack of material indicating the presence of "early colonizers". Although he put up a good presentation for the Defense, Attorney for the Prosecution Jeff Ashton, essentially skewered him on his lack of examination/erroneous assumptions regarding items already in evidence.

If you paid attention to the testimony, there is reason to believe that the body had been moved, but...the Prosecution already contends that in their case and In other words, this testimony was a "wash". It could be used to bolster both the Defense and Prosecution cases.

The problem I have with this, as I've mentioned previously, is that no one has addressed why George Anthony and/or Tony Lazzaro did NOT smell decomp in the trunk of the car on Jun 23/25 which was 7 days after the accepted date of death, in blistering June Florida heat when for sure, the bloat stage would have been accelerated and well underway, allowing for the presence of putrescine...the nasty fluid that fuels the smell of human decomp.

No one has addressed it or questioned it. Why?

With regards to the title of this post...

Dr. Tim Huntington, who testified today presented his research which, in part, used dead and decaying pigs to document insect behavior on rotting corpses. He showed how when they no longer have a viable food source, maggots leave and move away from the site they were feeding on, in this case...rotting pig carcasses.

Adipocere is commonly referred to as "grave wax", a substance that covers the deceased with a waxy substance that is produced by fat. It is much like well...it's kind of like Crisco on the body.

You don't want to know more than that, trust me.

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Adipocere looks a little like a grungy candle. Picture a dead body covered with this:

http://www.wholesalecountryprimitivegifts.com/product_image.php?imageid=1335

Not to worry! It's the candle...not the dead body.

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Adipocere looks a little like a grungy candle. Picture a dead body covered with this:

http://www.wholesalecountryprimitivegifts.com/product_image.php?imageid=1335

Not to worry! It's the candle...not the dead body.

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