NY passes same sex marriage

[_JohnStuartMill]

Right, that was representative of the majority, and you never find straight people doing that.

What about lesbians? Don't they have the lowest instances of STDs? I guess god loves them best.

Actually, I think that it was and this was the reason for the spread of the virus. If gays had only one partner, the virus would not have spread as rapidly as it did. Gay sex is about anal sex where the blood can get into sores in the rectum. The rectum was not made for what gay men do to each other.

Then why is the prostate directly accessible only through the anus?

Why does it matter what body parts were "made for" anyway? Were your eyes "made for" reading computer message boards? Were your feet "made for" wearing shoes? Come on, why me: You do things every day that aren't "natural." Let's stop pretending you're opposed to homosexuality for any other reason than "Ew, icky."

When the HIV virus was discovered, gays were encouraged to change their lifestyle behavior and think more in terms of monogamy. But as I understand it, some are now slipping back into unprotected sex and brief encounters.

Before the HIV crisis, gay men were concerned about hypatitis because of the sex that they do. And it is still a concern for them.

Anti-retroviral drugs are getting better and less expensive every year. Does this mean God is changing His mind about homosexuality?

[_cafe crema]

You are stereotyping what you believe the gay lifestyle to be in the 21st Century based on your observation of what it was like in the 1970's. You seem to be stuck in that era.

Um... why is Why me so well versed in 1970 gay sexual practices, I though he was spending all his time Mormon Laying all those LDS young ladies. Is there yet another side to Why me and is there another odd name for it?

[_CaliforniaKid]

YOU have also proved MY point, Why Me. You are stereotyping what you believe the gay lifestyle to be in the 21st Century based on your observation of what it was like in the 1970's. You seem to be stuck in that era.

Gay lifestyle has changed a lot since the '70s. Back then, the only gays who were out of the closet were the extremely promiscuous ones. Nowadays, promiscuity in the gay population exhibits basically the same distribution as in the straight population. Both groups have an extreme fringe with 400+ lifetime sexual partners, but this fringe is no more than about 1% of each group.

[_Bond James Bond]

Gay lifestyle has changed a lot since the '70s. Back then, the only gays who were out of the closet were the extremely promiscuous ones. Nowadays, promiscuity in the gay population exhibits basically the same distribution as in the straight population. Both groups have an extreme fringe with 400+ lifetime sexual partners, but this fringe is no more than about 1% of each group.

Indeed. I wonder how Roy Cohn fits into why me's paradigm of gay culture. I'd also like to say that during the 1970s, before AIDS hit in 1981, there was plenty of the same sort of promiscuity between heterosexuals, from Studio 54 in NYC to the neighborhood "key party" or swinging or whatever that seeped into the mainstream after the "free love" period of the late 1960s. The gay bathhouses certainly were real, but I don't really see much difference between them and the grotto at the Playboy Mansion (or the hot tub at the local Holiday Inn when the insurance convention was in town and people were looking for a weekend friend).

I highly recommend the documentary Before Stonewall [and After Stonewall for that matter] which does a bit to break down the notion that the bath house scene was the only gay lifestyle by exploring the many ways that homosexuals lived and related to each other before 1969, including good ole mainstreaming suburban style. Like I said, Roy Cohn.


*both those documentaries were available instantly on Netflix last time I checked, one hour each.

[_Bond James Bond]

Um... why is Why me so well versed in 1970 gay sexual practices, I though he was spending all his time Mormon Laying all those LDS young ladies. Is there yet another side to Why me and is there another odd name for it?

Gay Sex In The 70s is in his Netflix queue.

*Seriously, another good documentary about the issue.

[_Bond James Bond]

Why does it matter what body parts were "made for" anyway? Were your eyes "made for" reading computer message boards? Were your feet "made for" wearing shoes? Come on, why me: You do things every day that aren't "natural." Let's stop pretending you're opposed to homosexuality for any other reason than "Ew, icky."

I ate eggs from the chicken butt. Yum.

[Guest]

Being in New York in the 1970's before the AIDs crisis, the gay lifestyle was far from mainstream. I still remember the gay bathhouses where gay men would have sex with many partners. Plus the problem of going into a public toilet with gay men attempting to pick up other men in the toilet area.

One reason for the devastation of the gay community in the early 1980's in the Greenwich Village area of NYC was the fact that they slept with many partners. Thus, the HIV problem took many lives.

You have proved my point with your comment about Will and Grace. By hollywood bringing gayness into the living rooms of straight people, the tone was set for a softening of understanding for gay people and their lifestyle.

YOU have also proved MY point, Why Me. You are stereotyping what you believe the gay lifestyle to be in the 21st Century based on your observation of what it was like in the 1970's. You seem to be stuck in that era.

From MY observation of the gay lifestyle in the 21st Century, based on close friendships I have with several people I know who are gay, I can tell you that "the gay lifestyle" for those in monogamous relationships does not differ greatly from straight people in monogamous relationships.

They are generally two income households. Just like any other couple, gay monogamous couples are worried about making house payments, raising children, etc.

Well, you are wrong. But I can excuse you because you are from Utah. However, over the mountains and through the woods you will find the gay lifestyle has not changed much.

http://keithecker.com/2009/01/27/gay-se ... t-century/

Now is this guy an expert. Perhaps. But he certainly knows what goes on in gay culture.

Oh and the youtube video is true. It was a wild time in NYC back then for the gay men and as the the gay journalist says: it hasn't changed much.

[_why me]

Indeed. I wonder how Roy Cohn fits into why me's paradigm of gay culture. I'd also like to say that during the 1970s, before AIDS hit in 1981, there was plenty of the same sort of promiscuity between heterosexuals, from Studio 54 in NYC to the neighborhood "key party" or swinging or whatever that seeped into the mainstream after the "free love" period of the late 1960s. The gay bathhouses certainly were real, but I don't really see much difference between them and the grotto at the Playboy Mansion (or the hot tub at the local Holiday Inn when the insurance convention was in town and people were looking for a weekend friend).

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Well, what can I say...you weren't where I was. Gay bathhouses were a dime a dozen in New York. And one could go there for a small fee. Now I would gladly pay a small fee to enter the grotto on a hot friday night but my chances are slim.

For the heteros the main fear was genital herpes. Time did a cover story of it right before the AIDS crisis. All the heteros were trying to find out if their new possible partner had herpes. And even today, a large percentage of the American population have genital herpes. Now good Mormons mainly escaped the herpes problem and the HIV problem. And one could not get herpes or HIV from a Mormon lay.

[_why me]

Um... why is Why me so well versed in 1970 gay sexual practices, I though he was spending all his time Mormon Laying all those LDS young ladies. Is there yet another side to Why me and is there another odd name for it?

I spent a lot of time on the streets observing life. And I know what I know.

[_EAllusion]

YOU have also proved MY point, Why Me. You are stereotyping what you believe the gay lifestyle to be in the 21st Century based on your observation of what it was like in the 1970's. You seem to be stuck in that era.

Gay lifestyle has changed a lot since the '70s. Back then, the only gays who were out of the closet were the extremely promiscuous ones. Nowadays, promiscuity in the gay population exhibits basically the same distribution as in the straight population. Both groups have an extreme fringe with 400+ lifetime sexual partners, but this fringe is no more than about 1% of each group.

Do you have some research on this one? The research I've read that goes at least into the early 2000's suggests that there is a decent sized statistical jump between gay men and the rest of the population in lifetime sexual partner rate. Straight men and gay women are roughly comparable, and straight women are on the low end.

The real problem here is there is no lifestyle that comes with the territory of being gay outside of sexual/relationship preference for members of the same sex, and suggesting otherwise is no less bigoted than suggesting that listening to rap music, having children out of wedlock, and eating watermelon is the "black lifestyle." Statistical trends don't make for a class of people's lifestyle.