MCB wrote:Well I’m not catholic, nor Mormon and I think it’s rude to post a jab ..and use a term as a slur against a group of people and not explain oneself.
Perhaps "mormonish" is not appropriate. One can see a parallel with the word "Jewish" and the negative stereotypes. Which is not my intent. And it certainly encompasses a broad range of concepts.
Perhaps we already have it. How about TBM-ish? There. I went through and changed the word wherever I could. Is that a good enough apology?
See-- I respond well to criticism. I can change.
So let me see...""Marg,
I don't know how to say this in an appropriate way for the celestial. However, your behavior is somewhat (Mormonish)/ TBMish. You have a pattern of disagreeing and arguing with everyone."
Nah it doesn't work for me ..why are you dragging in Mormons in trying to be critical of me? In what way am I TBMish?
The argument in that thread started when you accused Dan V. of being a closet Mormon. I rephrased it. He has some TBM-ish characterististics, as a result of his cultural heritage. This is in terms of his adherence to the Joseph-only theory, and refusal to look at contrary evidence.
That was something I said to Dan..and it was based upon his arguments closely paralleling that of a Mormon apologist when it came to how he critically evaluates all the witnesses involved..that is his siding favorably with evidence supportive of Smith's claims (though he rejects the supernatural) and against and much more critical with a different standard applied to evidence not. It was not meant as hostile remark or slur against Mormons. I gave my reasoning. It was identifying where he stands, with my speculation that he may be a Mormon as opposed to an atheist and skeptic. I speculated on that and I believe at the time I gave my reasoning based mainly upon his comment that he believed Cowdery tried to use and read from a seer stone..which I found hard to believe a skeptic would actually think. That along with his treatment of witnesses especially being non skeptical of the Book of Mormon witness claims, led me to that speculation.
But I don't know what you mean by "The argument in that thread started when you accused Dan V. of being a closet Mormon." No argument started in that thread for that reason. That was one comment within pages and pages of discussion that had been going on long before that comment.
And that has nothing to do with you saying "However, your behavior is somewhat (Mormonish)/ TBMish." and not explaining when I asked.
I wass a closet Native for years. That is because I was rejecting the Native stereotypes of laziness, welfare dependency, substance abuse, promiscuity, non-verbal, tending towards violence, minimally literate, etc. People would force those expectations on me, and I fought them. The only way I could reject them was by denying my racial and cultural heritage.
I think part of this was the dynamics behind the breakup of my marriage. Early on, he expressed confusion at my desire to live close to the earth, and my moderately liberal political tendencies. There seemed to be some cog-dis in his confusion.
It was only when I came to know some tribal people who did not fulfill those stereotypes that I began coming out of the closet. And only by moving to Wisconsin did I really begin to feel comfortable in my own tannable skin and strong cheekbones.
So I understand where you are coming from.
To me this seems to be a complete tangent, I don't know where you going with this or why. I don't know what it is you say you are understanding with respect to where I'm coming from. It comes across to me as you having emotional issues unresolved and then you apply those issues to your discussion with people on message boards and make assumptions unwarranted. That's why I ask, why use Mormons as a collective group negatively when you are trying to be critical of me? That raised a red flag for me. If you can use "mormonish" as a slur against me, you can use it as a slur against anyone for just about any reason. At which point your use of the word reflects on you and your attitude..as you are not communicating a legitimate cultural trait what you are communicating is an attitude that you are extremely negative against Mormons collectively.