Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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Re: Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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More on my theory that God and Satan are in on this thing together:

John Taylor Journal of Discourses V 23 p 336

“Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? Because he could not do without him. He needed the devil and a great many of those who do his bidding just to keep men straight, that we may learn to place our dependence upon God, and trust in Him, and to observe his laws and keep his commandments.”

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Re: Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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Patriarchal gripe wrote:More on my theory that God and Satan are in on this thing together:

John Taylor Journal of Discourses V 23 p 336

“Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? Because he could not do without him. He needed the devil and a great many of those who do his bidding just to keep men straight, that we may learn to place our dependence upon God, and trust in Him, and to observe his laws and keep his commandments.”

LOL. I love that quote. "That 'ol Satan will keep you in line, dammit!"
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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Re: Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan#Job.27s_Satan

Job's Satan

In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the divine council, “the sons of God” who are subservient to God. Ha-Satan in this capacity is many times translated as “the prosecutor,” and is charged by God to tempt humans and to report back to God all who go against His decrees. At the beginning of the book, Job is a good person “who feared God and turned away from evil,” (Job 1:1) and has therefore been rewarded by God. When the divine council meets, God boasts to ha-Satan about Job's blameless, morally upright character. Between Job 1:9-10 and 2:4-5, ha-Satan merely points out that God has given Job everything that a man could want, so of course Job would be loyal to God; if all Job has been given, even his health, were to be taken away from him, however, his faith would collapse. God therefore grants ha-Satan the chance to test Job.[11] Due to this, it has been interpreted that ha-Satan is under God’s control and cannot act without God’s permission. This is further shown in the epilogue of Job in which God is speaking to Job, ha-Satan is absent from these dialogues. “For Job, for [Job’s] friends, and for the narrator, it is ultimately Yahweh himself who is responsible for Job’s suffering; as Yahweh says to the “satan”, ‘You have incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.’ (Job 2:3) ” [7]
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Re: Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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zeezrom wrote:
Patriarchal gripe wrote:More on my theory that God and Satan are in on this thing together:

John Taylor Journal of Discourses V 23 p 336

“Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? Because he could not do without him. He needed the devil and a great many of those who do his bidding just to keep men straight, that we may learn to place our dependence upon God, and trust in Him, and to observe his laws and keep his commandments.”

LOL. I love that quote. "That 'ol Satan will keep you in line, dammit!"


Well, if the Holy Ghost is too weak, Satan can step up and pinch hit for a while.
It goes with the thinking that Satan is this big, scary guy from the Horror Movie section at your local video store. I never got that version of the dude. He seemed to be more effective if he was quiet and invisible and seemed to not even exist. But to each his own...
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Re: Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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Looks good Zeez. Great job.
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Re: Philosophy 101: My Argument about Satan

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zeezrom wrote:To all the philosophy students out there,
Please consider my argument that Satan's role involves dissemination of truth. How did I lay out my argument? Is it worthy of a philosophy class? Is my argument compelling? :)


I don't find the argument compelling. I'll tell you why later. I'm tired.
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