The Liberal Lie on Prop 8

Post by **_Joseph** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:17 am

joe-smith CAIN wrote: "Yeah, and such a kind, respectful, and intelligent addition to the human race you appear to be."

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Appearances can be deceiving boy.

_mentalgymnast · Post by **_mentalgymnast** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:42 am

Buffalo wrote:
Unlike homosexuality, Mormonism is a choice. You're the one making the choice every day to live the abhorrent, unnatural Mormon lifestyle.

What is unnatural and abhorrent about the Mormon lifestyle?

Regards,
MG

_mentalgymnast · Post by **_mentalgymnast** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:23 am

mentalgymnast wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Unlike homosexuality, Mormonism is a choice. You're the one making the choice every day to live the abhorrent, unnatural Mormon lifestyle.

What is unnatural and abhorrent about the Mormon lifestyle?

Regards,
MG

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Post by **_Buffalo** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:51 pm

mentalgymnast wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Unlike homosexuality, Mormonism is a choice. You're the one making the choice every day to live the abhorrent, unnatural Mormon lifestyle.

What is unnatural and abhorrent about the Mormon lifestyle?

Regards,
MG

For one thing, Mormonism prescribes all sorts of unnatural sex practices

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19266

_mentalgymnast · Post by **_mentalgymnast** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:43 pm

Buffalo wrote:
For one thing, Mormonism prescribes all sorts of unnatural sex practices

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19266

Well, I read the thread you're linking to and the theme seems to be that those things that the church teaches are immoral are good and the things that the church teaches are moral are inherently unnatural and abhorrent to those that have crossed the line in regards to the church's teachings concerning morality.

That's no big surprise.

There seems to be a common thread among many of those that have chosen apostasy rather than activity in the church. Their moral compass loses its ability to point towards a"true north" bearing and the needle spins around any which way.

Pornography is OK. Masturbation is OK. Pre-marital sex is OK. Sodomy is OK.

Regards,
MG

Post by **_Buffalo** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:55 pm

mentalgymnast wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
For one thing, Mormonism prescribes all sorts of unnatural sex practices

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19266

Well, I read the thread you're linking to and the theme seems to be that those things that the church teaches are immoral are good and the things that the church teaches are moral are inherently unnatural and abhorrent to those that have crossed the line in regards to the church's teachings concerning morality.

That's no big surprise.

There seems to be a common thread among many of those that have chosen apostasy rather than activity in the church. Their moral compass loses its ability to point towards a"true north" bearing and the needle spins around any which way.

Pornography is OK. Masturbation is OK. Pre-marital sex is OK. Sodomy is OK.

Regards,
MG

I think most people have their moral compass aligned more correctly after leaving the church. They start ditching the arbitrary and start worrying about what is harmful vs what is harmless.

Post by **_Baker** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:55 pm

mentalgymnast wrote:There seems to be a common thread among many of those that have chosen apostasy rather than activity in the church. Their moral compass loses its ability to point towards a"true north" bearing and the needle spins around any which way.

The common thread is the ability to assess morality based on experience and objective societal benefits, as opposed to altering opinions based on the whims of a few old men.

I mean let's face it - if the church decided to condone gay marriage tomorrow, and detractors asserted all kinds of contradictions with past policies and scriptures, the TBMs (or most of them) would embrace the policy and contort their minds into defenses for its divinity.

Post by **_schreech** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:25 pm

mentalgymnast wrote:Well, I read the thread you're linking to and the theme seems to be that those things that the church teaches are immoral are good and the things that the church teaches are moral are inherently unnatural and abhorrent to those that have crossed the line in regards to the church's teachings concerning morality.

That's no big surprise.

There seems to be a common thread among many of those that have chosen apostasy rather than activity in the church. Their moral compass loses its ability to point towards a"true north" bearing and the needle spins around any which way.

Pornography is OK. Masturbation is OK. Pre-marital sex is OK. Sodomy is OK.

Regards,
MG

I love when you elohim-believers project your morals onto those of us that don't believe in christian mythology as if your perceived (and narrowly defined) "morality" has anything to do with what we believe....Explain how any of the things you listed as "ok" are immoral among non-god-fearing consenting adults....or are you saying that we should all cave and adhere to your blind-faith notions of "moral" behavior?

Post by **_schreech** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:41 pm

mentalgymnast wrote:What is unnatural and abhorrent about the Mormon lifestyle?

Regards,
MG

Gosh...this is easy:

- questioning minors about their sexual activities
- forcing women to wear horrid, unattractive, underwear which makes them feel frumpy and undesirable...
- teaching that "negros" were less valiant in the pre-existence
- teaching that polygamy/polyandry is the "celestial order of marriage"
- teaching my children that Joseph Smith was a great man who was true to his wife (emma) and was a "martyr" for the momo cause
- teaching young men that masturbation is "evil"
- giving Joseph Smith a free pass on infidelity while teaching that cheating on your spouse is the 2nd worst sin you can commit...
- for allowing only men to be leaders in the church (when i have 3 daughters who don't understand why they can't ever be anything more than Relief Society president)
- teaching that anything not written by a momo apologist/author is "anti"
- teaching that the OBVIOUSLY fictitious Book of Mormon is factual
- etc. etc. etc...

would you like me to continue?

_mentalgymnast · Post by **_mentalgymnast** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:55 pm

Buffalo wrote:I think most people have their moral compass aligned more correctly after leaving the church. They start ditching the arbitrary and start worrying about what is harmful vs what is harmless.

The problem is, Buffalo, we won't know whether or not those things which would be considered to be immoral by those that are less progressive/liberal than yourself are going to result in effects that are harmless as the next generation comes along and the generation after that. I have seen a number of cultural changes gradually evolve during my lifetime (greater acceptance of pornography, pre-marital sex and living together, masturbation, and sodomy) that have led to a general movement towards families that are more non-traditional and less stable than in the past.

Whether this is harmless or harmful...time will tell.

But if the last few decades can be used as a reference point, I think that society is gradually moving towards a permissiveness and acceptance of alternative forms of morality (if you can call it such) which will, and have already, alter the very fabric of our nation. Those such as yourself, the progressives, will of course say that this is for the good and that there will be no harm done.

I'm not so sure.

Regards,
MG

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