Young Earth Frustration

[_just me]

The genealogy in the scriptures is used as evidence of a young earth. As a genealogist that fascinates me.

[_zeezrom]

Ceeboo,

Grand Canyon the result of a giant flood? I respect the opinions of the people who believe this but must say this is the greatest impossibility of the history of the earth and heaven. Respectfully, i ask these people to consider the volume of rock and earth that needed to be displaced during this one-time event. In order to remove a cubic meter of rock, we need a jet pressurized to over 100,000 psi and this would take some time to remove it from its resting place. Then, you have to transport this cubic meter of rock 600 miles or so to the ocean. The floodwave (I simulate these using computer programs) would attenuate to the point of minimal power before long.

This is impossible. I don't intend to laugh or make light of such belief but I wish they could take some time to consider the physical problems with their theory.

[_GR33N]

Dinosaurs lived on the earth up until the flood.

A silly notion pulled out of thin air rather than from evidence.

There was no global flood.
The earth is billions of years old.
Life on earth evolved from earlier simpler life forms over a period of hundreds of millions of years.

I have seen a lot of so called creation science from places like Answers in Genesis etc. and it is nearly all utterly stupid and desperate. YEC is a clumsy patchwork of ad hoc notions that betray scientific illiteracy, self deception and foolishness.

That's just the way it is and I see no reason to tippy toe around that fact.

I can respect your entitlement to your opinion and recognize the source of these opinions that come from your belief in your religion of choice. No reason to call my opinions silly considering you have no more credible evidence than I do to support those opinions. Reducing yourself to name calling and judgmental accusations does not improve your ability to appear intellectually enlightened. Therefore your opinions on such matters is left lacking in credibility.

Perhaps, it would help you to understand the likelihood of a global flood if you studied the variety of unique species found on Madagascar...

And if you believe dinosaurs roamed the earth prior to a flood, then you cannot subscribe to the young earth position.

I find the rules of thought that some place upon others and unfortunate choice. I can believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth prior to the flood and subscribe to the YEC theory. I would appreciate your regard for allowing me to have that opinion. If you want to have an open minded discussion about these topics, that would be fine with me. Don't tell me what I can believe and what I can't. Thank you.

[_keithb]

Dinosaurs lived on the earth up until the flood.

I can respect your entitlement to your opinion and recognize the source of these opinions that come from your belief in your religion of choice.

What Tarski says is not an opinion. It is scientific fact.

Words have meanings. You don't just get to make them mean whatever you want them to mean.

No reason to call my opinions silly considering you have no more credible evidence than I do to support those opinions. Reducing yourself to name calling and judgmental accusations does not improve your ability to appear intellectually enlightened. Therefore your opinions on such matters is left lacking in credibility.

To suggest that there is no more evidence to support science than there is to support your superstition is beyond stupid. Literally, you have to either be abysmally ignorant or a liar to make this statement.

If you actually believed this, you wouldn't live in a house, use electricity, drive a car, and you certainly wouldn't use a computer to type idiotic things on message boards. After all, the gremlins that make your car drive might eat you, Thor might get mad that you're stealing his lightning and strike you dead, and and the demons that haunt your computer and make it run might possess your soul.

I find the rules of thought that some place upon others and unfortunate choice. I can believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth prior to the flood and subscribe to the YEC theory. I would appreciate your regard for allowing me to have that opinion. If you want to have an open minded discussion about these topics, that would be fine with me. Don't tell me what I can believe and what I can't. Thank you.

You can hold any idiotic belief you want. You can believe that the earth is 10,000 years old, that the sun is pulled across the sky by Trundholm's chariot, or that Elvis is still alive. However, I don't have to respect your beliefs. I reserve the right to ridicule you for your willful rejection of science, just as I would ridicule someone that believes that John Edwards talks to their dead cat.

[_Themis]

To suggest that there is no more evidence to support science than there is to support your superstition is beyond stupid. Literally, you have to either be abysmally ignorant or a liar to make this statement.

It has to do with a closed mind to things that conflict with cherished beliefs and an unwillingness to learn actual science like geology, physics, biology, etc.

[_Tarski]

I can respect your entitlement to your opinion and recognize the source of these opinions that come from your belief in your religion of choice. No reason to call my opinions silly considering you have no more credible evidence than I do to support those opinions. Reducing yourself to name calling and judgmental accusations does not improve your ability to appear intellectually enlightened. Therefore your opinions on such matters is left lacking in credibility.

I have all the credible evidence in the world. It is you who have none.
I can only conclude that you are scientifically uneducated.

This is not name calling. It is just a sober observation of an all too common and sad state of affairs.

As far as evidence, there is mountains and mountains of it supporting the scientific viewpoint. Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution and geology is literally unthinkable on young earth times scales. You guys apparently don't have any inkling of the massive cross correlation of independent strands of evidence from all branches of science that underpin modern scientific understanding of the world. You just simply don't know how it works.

At the end of the day, I am really not talking to you or Hoops or anyone else possessed of the virus of fundamentalistic religiosity since there is really no hope. I am talking to anyone "listening in" who is not fully infected.

To you I say-- behold what biblical faith does! It blinds and distorts thinking to cartoonical proportions. It arrests the development of the human mind and keeps it from arriving at a point where it can engage the world scientifically. It even does a number on common sense (Noah's ark, world wide flood? Are you serious?)
Biblical literalism is really a kind of thumb sucking.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Zee (Hope all is well with you)

Ceeboo,

Grand Canyon the result of a giant flood?

Are you asking me that?
If so, I don't know.

If you are interested (?) to listen to the YEC's answer to that question (I have seen several YEC's give their perspective/view on the Grand Canyon, Mt St. Helen's, etc, etc on many sites/youtube/debates with both atheists as well as fellow believers who do not share a young earth belief, I would, again :), strongly suggest that you not look for it here at MDB and consider going directly to a YEC for a YEC answer.

I respect the opinions of the people who believe this but must say this is the greatest impossibility of the history of the earth and heaven. Respectfully, i ask these people to consider the volume of rock and earth that needed to be displaced during this one-time event. In order to remove a cubic meter of rock, we need a jet pressurized to over 100,000 psi and this would take some time to remove it from its resting place. Then, you have to transport this cubic meter of rock 600 miles or so to the ocean. The floodwave (I simulate these using computer programs) would attenuate to the point of minimal power before long.

This is impossible. I don't intend to laugh or make light of such belief but I wish they could take some time to consider the physical problems with their theory.

Understood (Thanks)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_ludwigm]

Poor father Noah...
The caricature can not show the work of the xestobium rufovillosum pair, and of the teredo navalis pair. (If they are clean, Noah should have embarked seven of them.)

[_Buffalo]

For those that believe God assembled a world with all the canyons, lake beds, oil shale, etc already in place as if it had existed for hundreds of millions of years, I have a question. Why would God do it that way? Why go to such extremes when the natural laws can run it's course in it's own, beautiful way? Do you mean to say God would go to such extremes just to speed things up or to show off his power and ingenuity? You mean he placed every grain of sand, silt, and clay in just the right layers, pressurized it, weathered it with a time machine, and then warped them with a twist of his hand?

I think I realize what the belief is all about. They believe this life is literally a computer simulation. That is the only way it could make sense. That drops the meaning of our lives down a few notches, and elevates the meaning of the afterlife. Perfect fodder for a religion.

I was in a guitar store once and saw some brand new guitars that had been "reliced." It's brand new, but they artificially wear down the paint, add dings, etc. They do it for consumers who want to give other the impression that their guitar is vintage and has been gigged heavily for decades. Maybe god started his mortal life relicing ood-harps on the planet Rigel 12.

[_Buffalo]

Because it seems like something a trickster god would do.

Maybe Christians have been inadvertently worshiping Loki all this time.