It's truly amazing that scientists have been able to catalogue all of these millions of species on earth (including over 8,000 butterfly species), but still no evidence for Bigfoot.
Absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence.
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Genesis 7:17-24 wrote:7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Hoops wrote:The biblical record tells us that it rained for forty days, not that the earth was immediately and completely covered in water for forty days.
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DrW wrote:Coconuts. Coconuts are well armored seeds that do quite well in water. They float, and if left to their own devices, will eventually germinate and produce little floating palm trees in warm weather. I find it amazing that they seem to be able to remain floating "palms up" even in the wind and waves. A few months after a hurricane or strong wind, we sometimes find little palm trees have made their way into the shallows along our lake shore.
The vast majority of seeds not adapted to water would simply become mush after a week or so, especially in salt water.
Excellent call, Dr.W!
I hadn't thought about coconuts.
I'm guessing that if the Bible was true, all the plants in my garden would be variations of coconut palms. Of course, this would be a testament to the validity of evolution. Roses from coconuts.
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Hoops wrote:I understand that seeds can survive in water for a long time. I should have been more specific in my response. Still, you're assuming that all the plants remained submerged for the entire flood. Not only is that unlikely, but the biblical record does not indicate that.
How long can seeds survive insalt water?
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Genesis 7:17-24 wrote:7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Hoops wrote:The biblical record tells us that it rained for forty days, not that the earth was immediately and completely covered in water for forty days.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
So, cool. The Earth was covered for 150 days. Five months. A very long time for seeds to survive (except coconuts).
So, if Hoops puts seeds in a container of water for five months, how many will survive?
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How long can seeds survive insalt water?[/quote] You're assuming that the fresh water was immedatialy, or soon thereafter, completely mixed with the salt water, making all the water the same salinity. Fresh and salt water can remain at different levels for sometime. And, you are assuming that salinity of water is the same as it is today. Could have been more or less, I'm not sure that we know. Plus, the added factor that the fresh and salt water were probably different temperatures, which adds to it's ability to remain seperate. Also, the biblical record tells us about "fountains of the deep" which probably was fresh water. How that mixed with salt water we don't know, but a huge number of continuous streams of fresh water flowing into salt could provide an "oasis", if you will. So we don't know amount of time a seed had to survive in a indeterminant amount and degree of salt water. Could have been a mere few days.
Aren't there a variety of water species (I don't know the name) that can tolerate a wide range of salinity?
Hoops wrote:The biblical record tells us that it rained for forty days, not that the earth was immediately and completely covered in water for forty days.
Res Ipsa Loquitur[/quote] I don't know what this means. But it's impressive anyway.
It's truly amazing that scientists have been able to catalogue all of these millions of species on earth (including over 8,000 butterfly species), but still no evidence for Bigfoot.
All praise and glory be unto the creator whose handiwork all these are. Not to the damn cataloguers.