Atheism: the antithesis of cynicism

[_Buffalo]

The anti slavery movement began and was energized by Christians. Primarily in the U.S.

Yes, but in direct opposition to the Bible.

Hello, Pot. Your a deeper shade of black today. It looks good on you.

I accept your surrender.

[_Hoops]

The anti slavery movement began and was energized by Christians. Primarily in the U.S.

Yes, but in direct opposition to the Bible.

[quote="Hoops"]
Which, of course, is not what you asserted. Please show me where atheism as a sysem, world view, or humanistic expression has done any good at all on a societal level. I won't bother you with many, many examples where it has caused dramatic and profound suffering.

Please provide evidence that the Bible proscribes slavery.

[_Hoops]

Not at all. Atheism is quite similar to theism in terms of morality - both ascribe the origins of morality to some third party (either god or the the collective wisdom/instincts of humanity).

If that were true, which it is not, then they do so with no logical support. And if there is no logical support for this alleged moral underpinning to its worldview, then what to stop it from changing?

But if you are able to provide a fitting and proper context to mass infanticide and child rape, I'd love to see it.

You made the assertion. Now back it up or support it. Otherwise retract.

[_Buffalo]

Which, of course, is not what you asserted. Please show me where atheism as a sysem, world view, or humanistic expression has done any good at all on a societal level. I won't bother you with many, many examples where it has caused dramatic and profound suffering.

Please provide evidence that the Bible proscribes slavery.

You really don't know your Bible, do you? This is basic stuff.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

[_Buffalo]

Not at all. Atheism is quite similar to theism in terms of morality - both ascribe the origins of morality to some third party (either god or the the collective wisdom/instincts of humanity).

If that were true, which it is not, then they do so with no logical support. And if there is no logical support for this alleged moral underpinning to its worldview, then what to stop it from changing?

Of course there is logical support. We can trace the evolution of morality and ethics throughout human history. It continues to evolve. We can also trace the biological evolution of empathy, upon which much of our morals are based.

There is nothing to stop it from changing - it changes all the time. But even if your god were real, his morals change too. See: Old Testament vs New Testament.

But if you are able to provide a fitting and proper context to mass infanticide and child rape, I'd love to see it.

You made the assertion. Now back it up or support it. Otherwise retract.

You REALLY don't know your Bible.

Numbers:
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[_Quasimodo]

Which, of course, is not what you asserted. Please show me where atheism as a sysem, world view, or humanistic expression has done any good at all on a societal level. I won't bother you with many, many examples where it has caused dramatic and profound suffering.

Please provide evidence that the Bible proscribes slavery.

In fairness, Hoops, the Southern Baptist Church was formed in 1845 as a separate entity to the Northern Baptist Church to PROMOTE slavery in the South (historical fact).

[_Hoops]

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In fairness, Hoops, the Southern Baptist Church was formed in 1845 as a separate entity to the Northern Baptist Church to PROMOTE slavery in the South (historical fact).

Yes, it absolutely was. That doesn't change the fact that the anti slavery movement was led by and consisted primarily of Christians. As my RCC friends will tell me, The SBC does not make up the whole of Christianity :)

[_Hoops]

How utteryly predictable. I read the humanist/atheist websites to.

So you want to assert that the references to slavery coincide with slavery as it has been practiced for the last .... oh, let's make it easy on you...400 years? Okay, show me. Just what is a slave in this context?

[_Buffalo]

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In fairness, Hoops, the Southern Baptist Church was formed in 1845 as a separate entity to the Northern Baptist Church to PROMOTE slavery in the South (historical fact).

Yes, it absolutely was. That doesn't change the fact that the anti slavery movement was led by and consisted primarily of Christians. As my RCC friends will tell me, The SBC does not make up the whole of Christianity :)

That's not really saying much, given that Christianity was the default position for many years. You also haven't addressed how anti-Christian the idea of abolishing slavery is.

[_Buffalo]

How utteryly predictable. I read the humanist/atheist websites to.

But apparently not your Bible.

So you want to assert that the references to slavery coincide with slavery as it has been practiced for the last .... oh, let's make it easy on you...400 years? Okay, show me. Just what is a slave in this context?

Not much of a strategy. Are you trying to prove Christians are in disharmony with the Bible?