My scout camp experience

[_consiglieri]

I'm sorry you had this negative experience, Scottie.

I can understand how infuriating this would have been for you.

I think the problem was no member of the stake presidency could even conceive of a circumstance where everybody in attendance would not have been in agreement with their goals.

And I think the arm-twisting altar call atmosphere was over the top.

Two of the things I like about the Mormon church is no altar calls and no plate passing.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_karl61]

When things like this are placed on the shoulders of young men it can seem as a burden to an already stressful life. It's really something that the young man's parents need to develop if they think it is right and not some stranger who pops up once a year giving suggestions and who keeps reminding them of what they should do. It can be abusive to a young man whos family doesn't really agree via acts or ommsions to such a plan.

[_Yoda]

You're not the man of the house that you'd have your own way? Perhaps you'd obtain that power if you attended the temple worthily......

You really can be a jack ass.

I'm going to assume this was BC's attempt at a joke.

Then, you have a better sense of humor than I do.

Sorry...I'm protective of my friends...of which I consider you one. ;-)

Also...I find it in poor taste to see a self-proclaimed former Stake President flippantly refer to someone's temple worthiness. But then again, that's just me.

[_Quasimodo]

That last talk was unfortunate. I've spent many years in scouts as a youth and adult, and it has always been my observation that the LDS Scout leaders did a very good job of keeping the scout program mostly "scouts", with an opening and closing prayer just to remind us that we're LDS.

My experience was different. As a young non-Mormon boy attending Scouts in Utah, I found the Scout meetings were 50% LDS teachings and 50% Scout teachings.

There seemed to be a special interest in steering me, personally, towards the LDS faith. Looking for a new convert, I guess. I quit attending after a short while.

Oddly, I had the same experience playing little league baseball. Religion seemed to permeate everything when I was a child. It seemed that there wasn't any youth activity in Utah that didn't have a strong overtone of LDS teaching.

[_Fence Sitter]

I'm sorry you had this negative experience, Scottie.

I can understand how infuriating this would have been for you.

I think the problem was no member of the stake presidency could even conceive of a circumstance where everybody in attendance would not have been in agreement with their goals.

And I think the arm-twisting altar call atmosphere was over the top.

Two of the things I like about the Mormon church is no altar calls and no plate passing.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I would suggest that Fast and Testimony meeting and tithing settlement are the LDS version of an alter call and plate passing.

[_Dr. Shades]

Elder Spencer Condie used a similar tactic in a series of zone conferences while I was on my mission. He had the missionaries in each zone commit to be obedient to all the mission rules - and then had them go down and write their names on a chalkboard. Although a DL at the time, I refrained.

Did he notice that you refrained? If so, what was his reaction?

[_Hoops]

My experience was different. As a young non-Mormon boy attending Scouts in Utah, I found the Scout meetings were 50% LDS teachings and 50% Scout teachings.

There seemed to be a special interest in steering me, personally, towards the LDS faith. Looking for a new convert, I guess. I quit attending after a short while.

Oddly, I had the same experience playing little league baseball. Religion seemed to permeate everything when I was a child. It seemed that there wasn't any youth activity in Utah that didn't have a strong overtone of LDS teaching.

My kids had the same experience. That's one reason why we moved.

[_bcspace]

I'm going to assume this was BC's attempt at a joke.

Half joking, half serious, yes. It's really no different than the jokes and snide remarks told here about TBM's and the Church membership in general.

You're not the man of the house that you'd have your own way? Perhaps you'd obtain that power if you attended the temple worthily......

Let me try to decipher this. Unless a man holds absolute veto power over his wife, he's not the man of the house?

No, but it's obvious that he's whipped and not only that, his wife is the one who's doing the right thing.

Also...I find it in poor taste to see a self-proclaimed former Stake President flippantly refer to someone's temple worthiness. But then again, that's just me.

I have never claimed to be a Stake President. But even if I were, it wouldn't stop me from illustrating which virtual people demonstrate unworthiness relative to LDS doctrine.

[_The Nehor]

I would suggest that Fast and Testimony meeting and tithing settlement are the LDS version of an alter call and plate passing.

I would disagree as one is purely voluntary (I've never seen anyone rebuked for not bearing their testimony for an extended period) and one is confidential behind closed doors.

[_Scottie]

No, but it's obvious that he's whipped and not only that, his wife is the one who's doing the right thing.

Perhaps you missed the post where I said I'm divorced and don't really have any say in how my ex-wife raises my children? I have Z E R O ability to pull them out of the LDS church.